Charging noobs for completions on easy quests?

[gizmos199]

A great many kitty-angels were made today...




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...today was a good day.

yes it was . the bodies didnt go to waste . we can eat tacos for a month .

[Arlith]

yes it was . the bodies didnt go to waste . we can eat tacos for a month .

Mmmmm tacos...

[AquilaNav]

I believe that what the OP is trying to say is that even if someone tells a newer player the value/rarity of some of the items for which he is looking, it is unlikely that the new player will truly grasp the likely hood of ever getting said items again. The LFM poster is effectively using knowledge and power acquired over a long period of time to run quests that can be soloed very easily by non-geared characters with knowledge of the quest, and then acting like he has accomplished something that was difficult and actually worthy of the item for which he is asking, when the item is worth much, much more. Under the current arrangement, the OP feels that the LFM poster is false advertising his accomplishment/contribution, and requesting an exorbitant fee for this contribution.

If he was truly not trying to take advantage of uninformed players, the LFM poster should get a group of experienced players, having each of them start and clear their own instance. Then one loots, joins the second, both loot, join the third, three loot, join the fourth, four loot, etc, etc. This would get everyone several chances at loot for which arrangements could be made prior to looting for distribution.

I think that the first practice is very shady and greedy. The second would be much more fair.

[Purgatory]

That is exactly what is going on. And it exploits new players. Ya i get that a few players that are lazy and know exactly what there giving up for a fast completion for flaggin or w/e so they can coat tail ride inside raids as other do that for them too and just dont have the skill for w/e reason to do a quest 6 lvls below them on normal. But these lfm also targets new players that just don't realy grasp what they are giving up and there real value and just how easly it was to clear out a lvl 10 quest on normal at lvl 16 just is.

Putting in your lfm that your giving free flaggin and chests for your there royal guard mask. makes it sounds like they getting something out those chest.

Everyone knows but the new person that the chest only give out lvl 4-6 gear! so implying they are getting Free LOOT too is completly miss leading.

And to say that the person who soloed the quest did so much work in gholo fan. realy? going from the start of the quest to the end cand castin firewall every so often is so much work compared to just going to the end?

Hardest part about that quest is finding it lol give me a brake!

[SableShadow]

I believe that what the OP is trying to say is that even if someone tells a newer player the value/rarity of some of the items for which he is looking, it is unlikely that the new player will truly grasp the likely hood of ever getting said items again.

The chance for someone to pull an item goes down over time? And...even if you tell someone how much an item is worth in plat, they won't understand?

I think that the first practice is very shady and greedy. The second would be much more fair.

The second is almost, but not quite, completely backwards from how you'd want to do a l00t run.

[Delt]

blah blah blah

I really don't have much of a reply, because the basis of your complaint and solution lies in turning an LFM into the equivilent of of a legal contract with paragraphs full of disclosure and explaination and removal of liability on the off chance some clueless noob joins, nails the 1% loot chance and may have actually wanted it if he time warped 6 months into the future.

What I do want to know is just who you are? If you are going outta your way to state you plan to not group with a certain guild, have the courtesy to let them know who you are. I accidentally group with enough crybabies as is, I'd be happy to avoid an extra. Thanks brother (feel free to PM me the list).

PS - The whole new zero pre-req idiotic teleport wands kinda invalidates the major basis of your qq post anyway. Dump your masks on the AH today, pwn a noob of your very own.

[Joseph]

There are a LOT of quests I have not done - that I would like to see.

There are also a LOT of quests that I have done, and wanted to complete on different levels to get favor or whatever (flagging, etc.). I might not want to sit through them, or I might not have the time to sit through them.

If someone wants an extra chance at runes and or loot when I am in the party, and they are cool with me just sitting at the entrance or wherever - I am 100% cool with that.

For me it is a win / win situation - sponsored piking, if you will. I see nothing wrong with it. Any new player who signs up for this is, sadly, generally not going to get invited into a 'real' party to do it anyway - because enough 'real' parties don't exist, or the real parties that are there (Shroud and Hound are perfect examples) blitz the quest, and a person who gets lost in quest is screwed unless a nice player comes and saves them.

I don't usually 'charge' people when I am doing it - but when I got my Dragon completion in GH, I got in the group because I agreed to give up any scales I got. Prior to that I was unable to get in the quest (weeks of trying).

Anyway

[Memnir]

yes it was . the bodies didnt go to waste . we can eat tacos for a month .

Agreed!
However, one must be sure that taco is thoroughly cooked first...





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Sometimes the raw ones scratch a bit going down.

[gizmos199]

I believe that what the OP is trying to say is that even if someone tells a newer player the value/rarity of some of the items for which he is looking, it is unlikely that the new player will truly grasp the likely hood of ever getting said items again. The LFM poster is effectively using knowledge and power acquired over a long period of time to run quests that can be soloed very easily by non-geared characters with knowledge of the quest, and then acting like he has accomplished something that was difficult and actually worthy of the item for which he is asking, when the item is worth much, much more. Under the current arrangement, the OP feels that the LFM poster is false advertising his accomplishment/contribution, and requesting an exorbitant fee for this contribution.

If he was truly not trying to take advantage of uninformed players, the LFM poster should get a group of experienced players, having each of them start and clear their own instance. Then one loots, joins the second, both loot, join the third, three loot, join the fourth, four loot, etc, etc. This would get everyone several chances at loot for which arrangements could be made prior to looting for distribution.

I think that the first practice is very shady and greedy. The second would be much more fair.

wrong .wrong and wrong
6 ppl do there own instance . 1 peron would loot 6x and 1 would only get loot 1x . please take time and think about what you are going to say . before you say it .

[gizmos199]

That is exactly what is going on. And it exploits new players. Ya i get that a few players that are lazy and know exactly what there giving up for a fast completion for flaggin or w/e so they can coat tail ride inside raids as other do that for them too and just dont have the skill for w/e reason to do a quest 6 lvls below them on normal. But these lfm also targets new players that just don't realy grasp what they are giving up and there real value and just how easly it was to clear out a lvl 10 quest on normal at lvl 16 just is.

Putting in your lfm that your giving free flaggin and chests for your there royal guard mask. makes it sounds like they getting something out those chest.

Everyone knows but the new person that the chest only give out lvl 4-6 gear! so implying they are getting Free LOOT too is completly miss leading.

And to say that the person who soloed the quest did so much work in gholo fan. realy? going from the start of the quest to the end cand castin firewall every so often is so much work compared to just going to the end?

Hardest part about that quest is finding it lol give me a brake!

there is a tutor progame here on the server if you care so much join it . teach new players whats right what wrong . and put your alts in sing pls .

[Arlith]

Yes yes yes... All your points are well taken. Now, can we go back to kitty killing?

http://www.ugotgames.com/action/kitty-cannon.php

[SkunkMonger187]

yes it was . the bodies didnt go to waste . we can eat tacos for a month .

Rezpect up on that one Roc the meter just went of the heazzy, im bringin the extra hot Tacho sauce and tequillah , and cuban cigares as digestives, s**&t you reacon Legion will skin them as well, it make the cooking all the easier.

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[Thrudh]

That is exactly what is going on. And it exploits new players. Ya i get that a few players that are lazy and know exactly what there giving up for a fast completion for flaggin or w/e so they can coat tail ride inside raids as other do that for them too and just dont have the skill for w/e reason to do a quest 6 lvls below them on normal. But these lfm also targets new players that just don't realy grasp what they are giving up and there real value and just how easly it was to clear out a lvl 10 quest on normal at lvl 16 just is.

Putting in your lfm that your giving free flaggin and chests for your there royal guard mask. makes it sounds like they getting something out those chest.

Everyone knows but the new person that the chest only give out lvl 4-6 gear! so implying they are getting Free LOOT too is completly miss leading.

And to say that the person who soloed the quest did so much work in gholo fan. realy? going from the start of the quest to the end cand castin firewall every so often is so much work compared to just going to the end?

Hardest part about that quest is finding it lol give me a brake!

I think your point holds up fairly well for Ghola Fan... The only thing to be gained from that chest is the Royal Guard Mask... No one with any experience would run out there just for the chest loot...

So yeah, I see what you're saying about an LFM like that taking advantage of new people...

But that only applies to Ghola Fan... Cursed Crypt offers a chance to upgrade an amulet... The Refuge quests let you flag for Sorjek... I DO consider it a favor to me when someone holds open a Monestary run and just wants the runes... Especially since I already have all the runes I want..

I thank the person for giving me a free essence...

I don;t think your OP made it clear you were talking about a Ghola Fan LFM (Maybe it did, I'm too lazy to check)

[centurian]

there is a tutor progame here on the server if you care so much join it . teach new players whats right what wrong . and put your alts in sing pls .

Well to me Im not a too long ago noob player,and I find it to be in bad manners and no show of hounor to try prey on new players. Lets just put this to rest already. Some guilds will help you, and obviously some will try take advantage of you. Its not too hard to tell the guilds that will take advantage, wich i simply lost respect for now,no matter how you try to defend it, its a simply wrong way to show as a human being treat folks without,what you would expect in return simple as that.

[gizmos199]

Well to me Im not a too long ago noob player,and I find it to be in bad manners and no show of hounor to try prey on new players. Lets just put this to rest already. Some guilds will help you, and obviously some will try take advantage of you. Its not too hard to tell the guilds that will take advantage, wich i simply lost respect for now,no matter how you try to defend it, its a simply wrong way to show as a human being treat folks without,what you would expect in return simple as that.

this thred was dead . . i deleted what was here cuz it wasnt that important . borrax be moer spacific pls .

[Bunker]

Well to me Im not a too long ago noob player,and I find it to be in bad manners and no show of hounor to try prey on new players. Lets just put this to rest already. Some guilds will help you, and obviously some will try take advantage of you. Its not too hard to tell the guilds that will take advantage, wich i simply lost respect for now,no matter how you try to defend it, its a simply wrong way to show as a human being treat folks without,what you would expect in return simple as that.

/agreed

[Clay]

be moer spacific pls .

out of cyuryousty is the moer any relayshun to the boer? that wood mayk it south affrikka woodn't it and not thu s. pacyfyk?

[Memnir]

Oh noes!!!
The kitties have risen from the dead and are attacking! Zombie Kitties! Zombie Kitties!!! Abandon thread and flee for your lives!!!!







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[Glorious]

That is just a disturbing image...just very disturbing....

[gizmos199]

Well to me Im not a too long ago noob player,and I find it to be in bad manners and no show of hounor to try prey on new players. Lets just put this to rest already. Some guilds will help you, and obviously some will try take advantage of you. Its not too hard to tell the guilds that will take advantage, wich i simply lost respect for now,no matter how you try to defend it, its a simply wrong way to show as a human being treat folks without,what you would expect in return simple as that.

you r a friend to SL .you typed that you lost respect for some one who is trying to defend it . and you have my name up there what r you geting at .

/agreed

you agree bunk you? you have no respect for ROC .

out of cyuryousty is the moer any relayshun to the boer? that wood mayk it south affrikka woodn't it and not thu s. pacyfyk?

what r you geting at . you makeing fun of my spelling
is that all you got . lame .