Charging noobs for completions on easy quests?

[Vint]

It Is Greed!!!

[Eternity25]

Do you have a screenshot of who was leading the Cursed Crypt LFM? I don't recall I could ever solo Cursed Crypt. Maybe you have me confused with other people on the server. I never soloed Monastery or ask for Refuge runes. Besides never soloing refuge quests, when did I ever post an LFM asking to have Cursed Crypt loot.

[Minor_Threat]

Do you have a screenshot of who was leading the Cursed Crypt LFM? I don't recall I could ever solo Cursed Crypt. Maybe you have me confused with other people on the server. I never soloed Monastery or ask for Refuge runes. Besides never soloing refuge quests, when did I ever post an LFM asking to have Cursed Crypt loot.

I don't need to, you already admitted to having runs where you claimed rare named loot in LFM.

[Purgatory]

If I was asking for all loot that drops that would be greed. If asking for a named item in return for doing all the work, and saving others time isn't generosity, then what is? There have been many times where I have soloed Ghola Fan and not expected anything. My LFMs have helped several others get their first Royal Guard Masks. Sometimes I post LFMs to look for help myself. I guess you don't see my generosity, and I don't expect you to.

You don't get it and that fine im ok with that keep it up its your reputation and guild that will suffer not mine.

[Eternity25]

I don't need to, you already admitted to having runs where you claimed rare named loot in LFM.

Well I guess I'll take it as an honor that you wish to give me all the credit for all the "infamy" that goes on.

[transtemporal]

Well, you know, lets look at greed. Is it really that bad? And I'm not saying its cool but is it bad? Hey, I'm not an expert on it, are you? All I'm saying is: lets not throw stones in glasshouses. Lets call it "entrepreneurial" instead. Everyone benefits, everyone wins. In fact, if more people were entrepreneurial like Pheona, this game would be a paradise. Am I right or am I right? You don't have to answer that if you don't want to. Oh go on, answer away!

[Purgatory]

Well, you know, lets look at greed. Is it really that bad? And I'm not saying its cool but is it bad? Hey, I'm not an expert on it, are you? All I'm saying is: lets not throw stones in glasshouses. Lets call it "entrepreneurial" instead. Everyone benefits, everyone wins. In fact, if more people were entrepreneurial like Pheona, this game would be a paradise. Am I right or am I right? You don't have to answer that if you don't want to. Oh go on, answer away!

so your saying everyone should charge new players to complete quests and that would make DDO a paradise?

[Eternity25]

You can bash my LFMs, and call it charging others. If I did all the work, why shouldn't I get a named item in return for inviting others? Its not like they did any work at all to complete the quest. They're getting freebies. If I can't afford AH prices for the masks, I solo and try to get a helping hand to pull the mask.

[iscifi]

It Is Greed!!!

You are of course entitled to your opinion.

I have participated in many of these types of quests including vale chests/rares, Monastary, Ghola Fan, and most recently Invaders. I have never felt taken advantage of. Even by the guy that charged me 5,000 gold for eight chests in the vale. I did nothing but fork over the gold and collect the loot. Loot that later was sold for easily ten times that.

As long as the conditions are clearly preset, no one is taking advantage of anyone. Please be sure to identify your pre-conditions in the LFM and when people join. If I disagree or feel being taken advantage of, then I won't participate. It's a little phrase called "win/win". You may have heard of it.

If this leaves a bad taste in your mouth, there's no need to go spitting at everyone. Besides ain't no one forcing them to give up their stuff. They still have to choose to pass it over.

Calling someone greedy for this smacks of another agenda...

[Sauron]

notice a few people been doing this mostly from the same guil maybe the same person idk

But they go in solo fairly easy quests then toss up a lfm and charge noobs for completions on theses quests

Some these quests are

Monistary
some the vale quest

and today titan flaggin quests.

Usualy the price for completions seems to be runes, rarer vale ingredents, or named items if pulled.

I dont know maybe It's just me but i find these lfm very preditorial towards noobs as any vetran can solo these quests blind folded and pack full of soul stones.

I think im going to start charging this guild and there members a fee for grouping with me as i can't even begin to count the many many times i have carried there members threw quests and raids or have used way to many resourses getting them threw it with out even a simple ty from most of them to now see them start charging people for completion of quests that are just to easy to do and it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth that i would like to spit out.

Out of curiosity do they actually state in their lfm's that they're charging new people? Regardless the one's I've seen (which are extremely rare) have been populated by individuals that are defenitly not new.

The part that I thought was funny that made me respond while I was browsing the forums was the false assumption that it's predatory to new people when the lfm's defenitly don't read that way or in my recollection target anyone new.

Of course I could be wrong and there's some pandemic that's suddenly popped up on the server where these lfm's are about as normal as one's that state:

- experienced only
- only people that have done the quest before
- be self sufficent
- wounders only

etc... etc...

Hell, if you have issue with that one specific what about the one's that actually exclude new people like the one's listed above.

Anyways just curious...

[Tannniss]

So whatever happened to just running with a full group?..Maybe helping new players learn the quest. Pulling your own chest and doing what you want with the loot?...Is the zerg and greed factor so addictive that you scheme a way to pull outsiders into your solo run so that you can get that one certain item?....If you pull it, what then?....do you continue at this rate until the coffers are filled with loot and you're only option is to blame Turbine for your lack of interest because "you" have pulled every single item in game?.......

[gizmos199]

notice a few people been doing this mostly from the same guil maybe the same person idk

But they go in solo fairly easy quests then toss up a lfm and charge noobs for completions on theses quests

Some these quests are

Monistary
some the vale quest

and today titan flaggin quests.

Usualy the price for completions seems to be runes, rarer vale ingredents, or named items if pulled.

I dont know maybe It's just me but i find these lfm very preditorial towards noobs as any vetran can solo these quests blind folded and pack full of soul stones.

I think im going to start charging this guild and there members a fee for grouping with me as i can't even begin to count the many many times i have carried there members threw quests and raids or have used way to many resourses getting them threw it with out even a simple ty from most of them to now see them start charging people for completion of quests that are just to easy to do and it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth that i would like to spit out.

if it was on the LFM you didnt have to join . 1 person is not a guild

[gizmos199]

An enterprising idea, if a tad shady.
IMHO, if they can get people to join the quest & collect the fee they are asking for - more power to em. I'm not mercenary enough to make/join such an LFM, but I won't think poorly of any who do. It's their game time that they pay for, and if there is no harm being done who am I to frown on how they choose to spend it.

exactly capitolizm at best . pepol dont have to join .

[gizmos199]

You cna group and play with who you want and how you want in the gem. I myslef wont play with people or guilds that like to exploit other unexperienced players.

P.S. I love Legion

so thats all the top end guilds . if 1 person is resposibel for a guild TAG . then 1 peron on the sever with all the top end guild tags did this . you all know who i mean

[gizmos199]

Are you sure they were charging others to have entry into the quest? I interpreted it as they would be given the gold if they helped pull the mask. There are a few people on the Thelanis server who do solo quests and look for help pulling things. You could have misinterpreted the LFM.

that is what happened . THIS IS IT

[gizmos199]

It's bad taste. There are so many post about raid loot "Keep your loot or give it up for roll". I'll be damned if i a going to run a quest with anyone and told that I HAVE to give them something I pulled. Free completion or not, it is pure greed.

you obviosly jumped on the band wagon this is not a free ride . stop smearing someones name

[gizmos199]

Well if you can't see the wrong in charging new players and noobs for completions on flaggin quests then the guild that keeps doing this should have no problem paying My fees when they try and pug into any my raids.

you r correct if you post it and they join make them OBAY

[gizmos199]

it's not so much the gems, essences, & such.

It's the.

"Cursed Crypt - I get Scourge Choker" LFM's

It's just bad form and he doesn't seem to understand why he gets declined from raid groups.

no its not . someone got BUT HURT

[gizmos199]

I agree with Sable. You get completion (favor), free chests and end reward and you don't have to do anything but run to the end, in exchange for your rune/stone/ingreds/essence? Sounds pretty fair to me.

Shady would be letting them join saying "free chests", waiting til they got to the end THEN saying "Oh you have to give me your rune".

you put it best

[gizmos199]

I disagree.

it is asked before you join . backing out would be shadie