Scroll Effectiveness

[macfunk79]

What are the base dc's on a given scroll before you take an enhancement to improve them? Im trying to figure out what the overall scroll effectivness is after u take all the enhancements?

[MrCow]

The DC is 10 + spell level. For instance, the following scrolls have DCs of:

Hypnotism - 11
Halt Undead - 13
Flesh to Stone - 16
Trap the Soul - 18

For DC-based casting, scrolls tend to make a bad substitute.

[macfunk79]

Thanks mrcow , so all in all taking the enhancements to hieghten scroll dc is all but worthless LOL

[cluedout]

for scrolls, stick with the buffage and in the case of undead, the halt undead one is great for a caster in deleras that cannot yet cast it as a spell

also the heal/reconstruct scrolls are good.

restore/gtr restore scrolls are great on a cleric/umd that does not want to take a spot as the scroll does the very same thing as the spell

enervation scrolls have no save and again for a umd cha this is a good way to go

GH scrolls are the bomb if you dont have a pocket caster around or do not want to waste a spot its just an 11 min not a 30 min extended.

TS scrolls for the same reason as GH

stoneskin scrolls (also comes in wand) for a 70 ss.

fireshild scrolls for 50% cold/fire absorb and imunity to web

teleport/greater teleport (same as spell, saves spot/umd-able)

summon monster all work same as spell

raise dead/resurrection work same as spell

[Garth_of_Sarlona]

Against non-SR mobs (e.g. the Reaver) Waves of Exhaustion scrolls are cool too.

Garth

[Lymnus]

Against non-SR mobs (e.g. the Reaver) Waves of Exhaustion scrolls are cool too.

Garth

Waves of Fatigue (the level 5 spell) also are nice. But, I can't recall if the two stack.

[muffinlad]

Waves of F and E do stack. However, there is some controversy if they stack with the level 1 and level 3 versions (single target) of their spells.

A) The 1st/5th and 3rd/7th have the same effect...so they should not, but...
B) They show up on the "Buff/Debuff" list when you VIEW the targeted mob (usually a boss).

I guess one way to test would be in PvP, but I always have a nagging susp. regarding how it would effect mobs.

ANYWAY- back on target- Waves spells are quite good for higher end target debuffs.

I would also like to mention-

Flaming Sphere- Level 2. Fun to have 3-4 Flaming balls of mild doom following you in parts of delaras.

muffinscroller

[MrCow]

They show up on the "Buff/Debuff" list when you VIEW the targeted mob (usually a boss).

Just because something shows in the inspection window for a monster does not mean it always stacks. While Exhaustion and Fatigue will appear in the inspection window, only Exhaustion will work as it overrides Fatigue. The easiest test I can think of off the top of my head to help prove it to others is to find a Gold Concord Wizard or Gold Concord Cleric (8 DEX on any difficulty), cast both Exhaustion and Fatigue on them, and see if they auto-crit.

Another misconception folks have along these same lines is that of cloud stacking for concealment. Even though all the cloud spells will show up on a monster's inspection window, only one will cause a 20% miss chance due to concealment.