Maybe I'm a Jerk

[MetaSyn]

... but I'm playing a Wiz 7/Rog 1. I can get traps better than a lot of rogues. I was in Gwylans, and everytime I found a trap the rogue kept cramping my style by immediately disabling. He didn't even let me get the ones I found! I asked what his disable was (knowing mine was likely better), and while mine was better, he insisted he still had me beat because I was self-buffing (all I had was heroism, no biggie). Needless to say, I let him stay ignorant and play his tiny non-dps role. However, for the rest of the quest, everytime I hasted the party, I immediately hit him with a dispell magic. Yeah, I'm a jerk.

what an arse, why would u post this? one thing i really enjoy about this game is the lack of children, maybe time for u to find a new game. something closer to ur maturity level.

[kappelm]

you don't get what's he's saying .....

and I hope you are aiming for 24-26 con endgame or there will be lots of DING moments in your toon's future

it's cool that you can disable traps if you join a grp there's no rogue you want to say to the star "hey I can handle the traps" and if he agrees great that;s aweome... but most will expect a rogue to preform a rogue functions in a quest ....most will expect a bard to buff, and cleric to heal, a caster to either buff cc or kill a melee to dps or intim or what ever ...you getting upset casue the rogue wanted and was preforming his fucntion in the the team .....well you answered your own question ....yes you were

He was countertrolling. I get it.

That's a pretty high CON... there are a lot of builds that won't make that.


Back to the topic:
As for him getting traps, it was just annoying how, in an area with 8 traps, he chose to wait by me as I searched for each one then jump out and disable. We could have just saved time by him taking the ones I wasn't... As for each playing their role... that's great, but rogues in my experience tend to be the most varied and oft-fubar'd builds. Not because they aren't useful, but the custom builds are complex and numerous and some don't really do traps well (assassin builds anybody?) If you follow your shallow paradigm of roles, the party gets hurt.

[SableShadow]

he chose to wait by me as I searched for each one then jump out and disable.

You search, him disable = you search + disable, he search + disable...heck, even faster if one searches and reveals multiples, then both disable once everything is revealed.

paradigm of roles, the party gets hurt.

Was one less hasted person, particularly at the expense of your own sp,helping, or harming the group as a whole?

[Missing_Minds]

So the magnetitude of the OP jerk aside, does a player cast dispell magic actually remove another player's buffs?

That's wrong on so many levels and possibly explains a few past events, if so.

Yeap. Only way to get rid of that dam camo spell that rangers love to throw. Besides stepping out of the quest of course.

[QuantumFX]

Back to the topic:
As for him getting traps, it was just annoying how, in an area with 8 traps, he chose to wait by me as I searched for each one then jump out and disable. We could have just saved time by him taking the ones I wasn't... As for each playing their role... that's great, but rogues in my experience tend to be the most varied and oft-fubar'd builds. Not because they aren't useful, but the custom builds are complex and numerous and some don't really do traps well (assassin builds anybody?) If you follow your shallow paradigm of roles, the party gets hurt.

Maybe the rogue thought you were trying to work in tandem with him. In some quests 2 trapbuster types can get the trap work done super fast. (ex. VoN5, Monastery of the Scorpion, etc.)

[kappelm]

You search, him disable = you search + disable, he search + disable...heck, even faster if one searches and reveals multiples, then both disable once everything is revealed.



Was one less hasted person, particularly at the expense of your own sp,helping, or harming the group as a whole?

Each trapgetter doing a different trap would have been faster. Not that efficiency matters that much. I just wanted to get some traps since I have the skills.

As for one less hasted person... I was just mad. The dispell was a wand, so just some lost gp, not sp.

[SableShadow]

Each trapgetter doing a different trap would have been faster.

Debatable.

I just wanted to get some traps since I have the skills.

Exactly.

As for one less hasted person... I was just mad.

Exactly.

Look, dude, you asked the question, plenty of people have chimed in.

What do you want to hear? "No, you weren't a jerk; the other guy was a complete ****!"

Fine: "No, you weren't a jerk, the other guy was a complete ****!"

jerk

[secondchance]

He was countertrolling. I get it.

That's a pretty high CON... there are a lot of builds that won't make that.


Back to the topic:
As for him getting traps, it was just annoying how, in an area with 8 traps, he chose to wait by me as I searched for each one then jump out and disable. We could have just saved time by him taking the ones I wasn't... As for each playing their role... that's great, but rogues in my experience tend to be the most varied and oft-fubar'd builds. Not because they aren't useful, but the custom builds are complex and numerous and some don't really do traps well (assassin builds anybody?) If you follow your shallow paradigm of roles, the party gets hurt.

I'm not rying to diss ya .... I see the 8 posts ...you are talking about a lvl 8 toon I firgue your new ...maybe your not .....but getting upset casue someone w/ a rogue icon was taking down the traps befor eyou on your wiz icon is a bit silly ...hey maybe he like you is new or new the rogue class and want to see how well he can do ?

that con isn't too high btw the least con I'd start w/ on a wiz or sorc is 13

13 + +6 item =19 + +3 tome = 22 con + 2 exceptional bonus (shroud or dt item) 24 con if you were a wf or dwarf you could get to 26 w/ a +2 enhancemnet binus for a few ap's

notice I said 13 is the lowest con I'd start with

honestly you need to try to have atleast 250 hp as a caster IMO you get get away w/ a little less if you can self heal

[Worker1179]

Man, anytime some wizard wants to find/disable the traps, its A-OK with me!

But seriously, that same thing happened to me the other night, I was running around in a group, and the wizard kept hitting me with his extended 3 minute hastes over top my own mini hastes. I was all like, *** man, can't you see I already hasted us? How rude!

[MetaSyn]

... but I'm playing a Wiz 7/Rog 1. I can get traps better than a lot of rogues. I was in Gwylans, and everytime I found a trap the rogue kept cramping my style by immediately disabling. He didn't even let me get the ones I found! I asked what his disable was (knowing mine was likely better), and while mine was better, he insisted he still had me beat because I was self-buffing (all I had was heroism, no biggie). Needless to say, I let him stay ignorant and play his tiny non-dps role. However, for the rest of the quest, everytime I hasted the party, I immediately hit him with a dispell magic. Yeah, I'm a jerk.

Man, anytime some wizard wants to find/disable the traps, its A-OK with me!

But seriously, that same thing happened to me the other night, I was running around in a group, and the wizard kept hitting me with his extended 3 minute hastes over top my own mini hastes. I was all like, *** man, can't you see I already hasted us? How rude!

ehh? what? (/shakes head) where are these people come'n from? (questions in general) ya'll are just joke'n around and im just miss'n it? right?

[Zenako]

I guess this is the counter point to the LFM with EXP only in the text thread...

[sisterjinx]

Our general rule of thumb is while in Pugs we let the person with the SYMBOL do their JOB. If we are all running together with friends or guild we might ask who has the better number to do it. I'm currently building a bard rogue and her numbers are awesome. She is a ROGUE not a bard but since she is splashed I let the person with the rogue symbol do the traps and such when in pug groups.

And the haste/dispell thing well admit you are a (your words here)

[boldarblood]

Just wait for VoN 5

DING!

Don't need evasion for the traps there, tougher without yes. But can be done, to lazy to look for it, but someone posted a youtube video of it in past.

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Do not agree with the dispelling of there buffs. But the rogue was a tard also, who cares who disables it if it is done. If I see someone else searching/disabling a trap I let them. Gets quest done faster also if you have 2 doing traps. Plus to be honest Id rather let some other tard do the traps, allows me to zerg past trap :P

[Sweyn]

Actually I didn't favor dex; I favored int, which is what my sp and disable,search are based on... but you play a rogue, so you know that... My con is low, but with a +2 tome and an item, I will be better endgame than all those drow sorc/wizzys running around.

What are you trying to say by this? That drow casters are gimp? My drow sorc has over 300 hp (Once i run shroud and finish tier 3) has higher DC's than WF due to higher charisma, and is self healing by heal scrolls (I only fail on a 1) I'm sorry, but you are not god and better than half the server. Play as a team.

[ChaelaAnne]

Yeah, I know you asked the question because you wanted everyone to say "no man, that rogue was totally out of line", and you've been getting people saying "no dude, you ARE a jerk", but I have to agree. You were the jerk in this case. Not ONLY did you treat someone on your team like trash, by dispelling him, but then you called him out? I just hope it was a tell and not over voice chat.

And here is hoping you didn't dispell P buffs with that little trick of yours, because then you literally wasted that guys money.

Ugh, the whole thing is just silly.

[Noctus]

My con is low, but with a +2 tome and an item, I will be better endgame than all those drow sorc/wizzys running around.

Wrong.
You are under the effect of a Fallacy.
Everybody will use this things to help with their inherently low HP. --> You are still behind.


For example you cant compensate the spell pen reduction of taking 2 level of Rogue on your Wiz by taking the feat Spell Penetration. Because also the pure Wiz will take this feat.

[Noctus]

Maybe I'm a Jerk

Yes, you are.

Perhaps the rogue was a "traps-only" gimp Rogue. 100% superfluous once you joined the party.

But we will never know. But what we definetly know is that the OP was a jerk.



The OP would land on my "friends-list" for group sabotage.

The rogue maybe, if he had like 8 kills at the end of the quest. Because of incompetence. If you play a rogue and cant bring DPS, you are a gimp. Please spread your incompetence elsewhere.


I am so fed up with rogues who only can deal with traps and contribute nothing else to the groups success. Closely followed by those "i use my bow 100 percent of the time"-Rangers.

[kinar]

My Str based Fighter/Pally/Monk gets 37/36/32 without bard, i.e. fully buffed. SO its possbile to be str based without being dex based.

I said insane to expect it on anything but that...I suppose pallys should be on the list too due to the higher than normal saves...My 14/2 clonk gets into the mid-high 30s as well when fully buffed but he has a 26dex, +5resist item, gh, +3 from halfling, +2 shroud item, +2 monk stance, etc, etc ,etc...that kinda of stats shouldn't be expected. My tempest evasion barbarian also has around 34 fully buffed as well....Sure it is possible, but not expected.

[Yajerman01]

I said insane to expect it on anything but that...I suppose pallys should be on the list too due to the higher than normal saves...My 14/2 clonk gets into the mid-high 30s as well when fully buffed but he has a 26dex, +5resist item, gh, +3 from halfling, +2 shroud item, +2 monk stance, etc, etc ,etc...that kinda of stats shouldn't be expected. My tempest evasion barbarian also has around 34 fully buffed as well....Sure it is possible, but not expected.

I think my argument was you implied that its insane to expect those numbers unless they are dex based. Or am I just not understanding this dialogue.

[Rydin_Dirtay]

As for him getting traps, it was just annoying how, in an area with 8 traps, he chose to wait by me as I searched for each one then jump out and disable. We could have just saved time by him taking the ones I wasn't...

Maybe he didn't know where all the boxes were. He was probably just trying to help you out man, probably just trying to be nice and do the disabling part, so you could move on to more important things. I know where you're coming from but you gotta cut some ppl some slack sometimes in a public game.