Maybe I'm a Jerk

[kappelm]

... but I'm playing a Wiz 7/Rog 1. I can get traps better than a lot of rogues. I was in Gwylans, and everytime I found a trap the rogue kept cramping my style by immediately disabling. He didn't even let me get the ones I found! I asked what his disable was (knowing mine was likely better), and while mine was better, he insisted he still had me beat because I was self-buffing (all I had was heroism, no biggie). Needless to say, I let him stay ignorant and play his tiny non-dps role. However, for the rest of the quest, everytime I hasted the party, I immediately hit him with a dispell magic. Yeah, I'm a jerk.

[Tarackian]

you said it, i don't have to. your abilities pay off when you dont have a rogue in the party. allow each to play their own characters. why get into a mine is bigger than yours debate? as you can see it gained you nothing but aggravation. log the toon's name and move on. the dispell was a bit much. it only reduces you.

Lucky for you he didn't get all the aggro and drag it to you....seen it many times. usually right before the party disintegrates because of egos.

[Strakeln]

Just wait for VoN 5

DING!

[Zenako]

Just curious, how would you react to a pure wizard 8 who was demeaning your spells as gimped (due to being only 7th level in effect) vs his 8 levels of effect? If the level 8 Wiz told you not bother buffing or casting the spells in question since he had better versions of them and it would be a waste for you to duplicate his effort?

Von 5 is a real good "ding" moment....good one Strakeln.

Yes you were being a jerk.

The point of splashes is to allow one to cover special needs when it is otherwise not covered. You can perform a tiny slice of the role of a Rogue. Traps (and probably locks) I would guess, you might have also pumped up Search.

In some ways like my Fighter with a single Splash level of Cleric can do some of things a Cleric would do.

[boldarblood]

Just wait for VoN 5

DING!

Don't need evasion for the traps there, tougher without yes. But can be done, to lazy to look for it, but someone posted a youtube video of it in past.

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Do not agree with the dispelling of there buffs. But the rogue was a tard also, who cares who disables it if it is done. If I see someone else searching/disabling a trap I let them. Gets quest done faster also if you have 2 doing traps. Plus to be honest Id rather let some other tard do the traps, allows me to zerg past trap :P

[ChaelaAnne]

Yeah, I know you asked the question because you wanted everyone to say "no man, that rogue was totally out of line", and you've been getting people saying "no dude, you ARE a jerk", but I have to agree. You were the jerk in this case. Not ONLY did you treat someone on your team like trash, by dispelling him, but then you called him out? I just hope it was a tell and not over voice chat.

And here is hoping you didn't dispell P buffs with that little trick of yours, because then you literally wasted that guys money.

Ugh, the whole thing is just silly.

[Wu_Jen]

Don't need evasion for the traps there, tougher without yes. But can be done, to lazy to look for it, but someone posted a youtube video of it in past.

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Do not agree with the dispelling of there buffs. But the rogue was a tard also, who cares who disables it if it is done. If I see someone else searching/disabling a trap I let them. Gets quest done faster also if you have 2 doing traps. Plus to be honest Id rather let some other tard do the traps, allows me to zerg past trap :P

Yup, I did VON 5 when it came out and the cap was still 10. My 9 Wiz/1 Rog could do it. Just needed jump + haste and some very good landing skills There are several safe spots on the blade/elec trap.

Some traps can't be twitched though and for those you need the extra hp + stoneskin etc.

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

@ the OP. Funny. Cool. You rock. You da big man. But, if you were in my party.. I would have requested the entire party recall and made you solo the rest. And then you could attempt to dispell all those mobs running at you right before I recall. Good day!

[DragoonPenguin]

... but I'm playing a Wiz 7/Rog 1. I can get traps better than a lot of rogues. I was in Gwylans, and everytime I found a trap the rogue kept cramping my style by immediately disabling. He didn't even let me get the ones I found! I asked what his disable was (knowing mine was likely better), and while mine was better, he insisted he still had me beat because I was self-buffing (all I had was heroism, no biggie). Needless to say, I let him stay ignorant and play his tiny non-dps role. However, for the rest of the quest, everytime I hasted the party, I immediately hit him with a dispell magic. Yeah, I'm a jerk.

urge to flame rising....

[Furbitor]

yep.

If your not interested in being in a team, then why stay? If you was grouped with another caster and every time you hit the haste button he popped one as well, do you care?

I mean really. Save yourself the mana and allow him to burn thru his sp. Trap monkeys want to role play as well and you trying to tell a "master thief" he can't do his role is saying you don't want him to function. It's like tell a barbarian not to fight.

What you will get is an earful of static in game and real life, and then you find yourself solo.

DDO is enforced teamplay. Be flexible.

if the rogue cant reach his traps.. then assist.

insisting you do all the quest yourself and just dragging 5 ppl behind you isn't fun for anyone.

[DragoonPenguin]

Here is how this reads to everyone but the OP:

... but I'm playing a Wiz 7/Rog 1. I can get traps better than a lot of rogues, because instead of pumping my con, I favored my dex at creation because I will have a viable endgame AC. I was in Gwylans, and everytime I found a trap the rogue kept cramping my style by immediately disabling (my stream of urine was always the longest at my childhood urinating contests - the trick is to punch the competitors in the bladders beforehand). He didn't even let me get the ones I found (he kept saying something about controlling the crowd. I didn't see any crowds at the trap boxes, like 3 minutes behind the rest of the party...)! I asked what his disable was (knowing mine was likely better, thank you viable endgame dex-based AC), and while mine was better, he insisted he still had me beat because I was self-buffing (instead of nuking the mobs with firewalls, make love not war I am a pacifist caster and use hold person to put the humaniod mobs in time out when I DO cast. well, IF I do cast I guess). Needless to say, I let him stay ignorant of how much longer my stream of urine is and play his tiny non-dps role (which was irritating because he was out-non-DPSing me). However, for the rest of the quest, everytime I hasted the party (I think it was once or twice), I immediately hit him with a dispell magic. Yeah, I'm a massive buttpipe.

urge to flame falling...

[Yajerman01]

You have rogue skills, great! those are secondary to your primary skills. As such, let the rogue do his thing, if hes a gimp, you will know soon enough with the explosions, but dont race to the box just to prove you can do it, who cares.

Dispelling him from haste is not being jerky, its just cheesy and lame. Be a team player.

[kappelm]

Here is how this reads to everyone but the OP:





urge to flame falling...

Actually I didn't favor dex; I favored int, which is what my sp and disable,search are based on... but you play a rogue, so you know that... My con is low, but with a +2 tome and an item, I will be better endgame than all those drow sorc/wizzys running around.

[Yajerman01]

Actually I didn't favor dex; I favored int, which is what my sp and disable,search are based on... but you play a rogue, so you know that... My con is low, but with a +2 tome and an item, I will be better endgame than all those drow sorc/wizzys running around.

wow are you new? If so your coming off pretty strong basing things on assumption. If your a vet, then your really laying on the arrogance thick, I digress though, your coming off arrogant either way.

Alternatively it sounds as though you are racist towards Drow.

[kappelm]

I've been playing for some months. What am I wrong about (aside from being a jerk with dispell and not being a team player)?

[Thriand]

Wow when I'm on my rogue I fight with other rogues over who gets to be the one to NOT disable the traps. Honestly who cares, everyone knows that every wizard with a level of rogue can do traps and that every rogue can do traps if they so please, but the important thing is what they do that aren't traps.

[Zenako]

It is easy for a Wiz/rogue to hit some outstanding numbers on INT based skills, and enjoy that synergy. What will hurt is the lack of evasion and improved evasion on high end traps, along with the very high REF saves those traps call for. Not hard for a single level splash to disable most all traps, where you can stand in a safe spot.

No one is gonna argue that the combo has merit, it does and will. Taking more than 1 rogue splash level will impact your spell access however, but at a tradeoff for evasion which some consider worth it.

[kinar]

It is easy for a Wiz/rogue to hit some outstanding numbers on INT based skills, and enjoy that synergy. What will hurt is the lack of evasion and improved evasion on high end traps, along with the very high REF saves those traps call for. Not hard for a single level splash to disable most all traps, where you can stand in a safe spot.

No one is gonna argue that the combo has merit, it does and will. Taking more than 1 rogue splash level will impact your spell access however, but at a tradeoff for evasion which some consider worth it.

He can take 1 more rogue and get his evasion, which he probably will do in order to keep his rogue skills maxed.

Insightful reflexes will take care of the reflex save issues (wizards have plenty of feats).

High end traps are a joke. With the exception of monestary, even a halfway devent reflex (22+ which he should hit) is "good enough" The ones that are gonna need more than that need 35+ which is just insane to expect anyone but a dex based roge, monk, or ranger to hit fully buffed.




AS for the OP...yes yer were a jerk. It doesn't matter who disables the traps, just that they get disabled. I have a 14/2 clogue that can hit a higher disable/search/ol than most rogues in the game as well (and could all the way through leveling)...and I'm a cleric (so no synergy with int). I've been through what you're going through.

[Yajerman01]

expect anyone but a dex based roge, monk, or ranger to hit fully buffed.

My Str based Fighter/Pally/Monk gets 37/36/32 without bard, i.e. fully buffed. SO its possbile to be str based without being dex based.

[secondchance]

Actually I didn't favor dex; I favored int, which is what my sp and disable,search are based on... but you play a rogue, so you know that... My con is low, but with a +2 tome and an item, I will be better endgame than all those drow sorc/wizzys running around.

you don't get what's he's saying .....

and I hope you are aiming for 24-26 con endgame or there will be lots of DING moments in your toon's future

it's cool that you can disable traps if you join a grp there's no rogue you want to say to the star "hey I can handle the traps" and if he agrees great that;s aweome... but most will expect a rogue to preform a rogue functions in a quest ....most will expect a bard to buff, and cleric to heal, a caster to either buff cc or kill a melee to dps or intim or what ever ...you getting upset casue the rogue wanted and was preforming his fucntion in the the team .....well you answered your own question ....yes you were