Rolling for an item then passing it to someone else, ok or bad?

[Thrudh]

feel guilty ?????

I not picking ...just stating that the item is designed for a rogue (clearly it is)
after rogues any dex based melee should try to get them (dex rangers need that item IMO)
than any "lesser" melee that NEEDS help w/ dps I can see why they would want it I.... a intim tank taking it ....give me a break

listen I believe you loot is your loot ...... but you know what I do vod w/ 15 differnt toons I have over 250 completions between my 2 accounts I only play 2 rogues...I've never rolled against a rogue for the goggles and hsc one of my pure dwarf fighters has passed it 3 differnt times to a rogue

I've only seen the goggles once (I've only done VoD about 10 times total) and it was on my wizard, and I put them up for a roll.

BUT... I could definitely see my barbarian taking them... Goggle slot is mostly worthless anyway... and +8 to damage is not insignificant... My DPS build will take an extra +8 damage anyday against a raid boss.... plus Tree Seeing is awesome.

Still... with the Search and Spot... I'd probably give them up to a rogue.. I wouldn't give them up to a dex-based ranger though (What does dex-based have to do with it?)

VoD LFMs are pretty rare on Thelanis, so I haven't done it much... But I see them more often now, and I plan to start running it more.

[secondchance]

BUT... I could definitely see my barbarian taking them... Goggle slot is mostly worthless anyway... and +8 to damage is not insignificant... My DPS build will take an extra +8 damage anyday against a raid boss.... plus Tree Seeing is awesome.

it's nice to have +8 damage (I agree) and everyone alywas talks about the pit fiend w/ this .... my point that most rogues will be set up through gear enhancement and play style to not have argo and there fore always getting sneak attack damage on just about every swing they ever take not just against the pit fiend or some other raid boss

Still... with the Search and Spot... I'd probably give them up to a rogue.. I wouldn't give them up to a dex-based ranger though (What does dex-based have to do with it?)

well most rangers that went w/ dex based did so for stat damage back in the day...w/ the wop changethey need to switch to dps however they are slighting behind the dps scale compared to str based rangers (the 20 str ranger +5 is 5 behind the 30 str +10 ranger) so a dex based ranger w/ a raidence raiper would get a nice upgrade in dps ...you see I undertsand that melee's other than rogues can benfit from the goggles but most rogues will get more and after that I think the dex based ranger is next ...j

VoD LFMs are pretty rare on Thelanis, so I haven't done it much... But I see them more often now, and I plan to start running it more.

I run it quite a bit but mostly in guild ..... I'll join vod pugs depending on who the leader is ...legion useally fills out their vod w/ a few pickups ....however I assure you. you'll have almost no chance of getting said goggles in a legion grp unless it falls under your name...other wise it ain't going to happen

[secondchance]

I'm sorry, why? Because of the search 15?

That is an easily attainable item that don't need to be on a static main item. Yeah, it saves you an item slot. But where are other melee's going to get +5/+8 SA from? And this percentage increase is much greater than for a rogue who already gets massive sneak attack (ESPECIALLY helping low to-hit melee's).

This item helps my battle cleric much more than your rogue. I'll mail you the +15 search item. Thanks.

it also has +15 spot plus pairs w/ a dex item at the bracers slot which is useles to most melee's who use either hound bracers chaos bracers or who wear armor ...also the pair help reduce melee hate which stacks w/ the rogue enhancemant so a rogue wearing the pair and wielding a raidence weapon could get sneak attack on every swing on just about every mob he attacks (not all just about all though)...but still....

you may be right... I bet your battle cleric does so little damege that he nevers has argo so that +8 helps you a bunch ....save the postage I don't need the item

[weyoun]

...but still....

you may be right... I bet your battle cleric does so little damege that he nevers has argo so that +8 helps you a bunch ....save the postage I don't need the item

lol. i wish i knew who thurdh's alts were so i could completely avoid him

[Thrudh]

lol. i wish i knew who thurdh's alts were so i could completely avoid him

Heh, you got plenty of reasons to hate me, but I didn't post anything about a battle cleric.

All I said is that goggles work for all melee, and then I agreed that the Search and Spot make them better for the rogue...

I'm guessing you probably agree with me in this particular thread...

[secondchance]

lol. i wish i knew who thurdh's alts were so i could completely avoid him

I thikn you may mean Enochroot he's the on ew/ the battle cleric that get so much help from the goggles

Heh, you got plenty of reasons to hate me, but I didn't post anything about a battle cleric.

All I said is that goggles work for all melee, and then I agreed that the Search and Spot make them better for the rogue...

I'm guessing you probably agree with me in this particular thread...

I think lysol just miss spoke thrudh ...or maybe he didn't I don't know.....

would like to say this yet one more time ...yes the goggles can help a melee other than rogue....however it is clearly designed for a rogue and a rogue get more use from the item most of the time ....unless of course you are a melee that was designed too not deal damage or have argo ....in that case the goggles will give you TS and +8 damage

[Kraak]

lol. i wish i knew who thurdh's alts were so i could completely avoid him

Enochroot is actually the one with the Thrane Goggled BC.

But my sentiments exactly.

[kingfisher]

Tonight I was on a stormreaver run, napkin dropped, It is up for roll. The people who can use it roll. There is a tie for first until a paladin rolls higher, which seems a bit odd, but he can cast spells so they let him win. However, he does not loot the napkin, he gives it to a sorceror who already had rolled and lost. Maybe I am just overreacting but that seemed seedy to me.

bush league imo, but it happens. i have seen 3-4 members from one guild roll to help their guildie after he rolls low. not much you can do but sit there and watch them roll one after another until someone beats your 72 and passes it to the guy that rolled a 12 first. not fun. i have no problem with someone passing their loot to a guildie with a toon that needs it, but it just seems unfair to roll on something you dont need so you can pass it over. idk, i understand it but it still seems cheap.

[Braegan]

Enochroot is actually the one with the Thrane Goggled BC.

But my sentiments exactly.

Let's not be too hasty with Enochroot, perhaps his BC has the other two pieces of Thranes set and was looking forward to getting featherfall

[Emili]

its because of people like these that i choose to only pass the loot over (especially when there are many rollers) only when the winner and i are left in the instance. this way, there is absolutely no way he can pass his loot to others

my logic is simple, you are going to use it then roll for it. if you are going to sell it off, or to pass to another player, then forget about it. no one would really fault someone for taking care of a guildie ie passing your loot straight to the guildie w/o offering it up for roll. but to delve into shady practices will often create a bad rep

This is typically what I try to do also... unless I know the roll winner to be a straight up-front person.

This practice though when done by others however has bit me not once or twice but multiple times... I.E. Einin is still without a tumbleweed even though she had won rolls on it twice - the person passing the item assigned it to someone outside the quest - thus the item lays wasted in the chest... has happened to Emili the same way with the shield at least three times I can recall. I wish people would take more care in exchanging loot... but I comfort myself and think ok, maybe next time.

[Thrudh]

Enochroot is actually the one with the Thrane Goggled BC.

But my sentiments exactly.

Hey, I know why Weyoun hates me (I call him out for being an ass in game), but why the hate from Kraak??

[Strakeln]

I now make it clear when putting an item up for roll that I will require the person with the winning roll to loot the item.

Last time I saw someone even joke about doing this, both parties were automatically excluded from the roll. They weren't happy, but I know they won't try that **** with me again.

[Kraak]

Hey, I know why Weyoun hates me (I call him out for being an ass in game), but why the hate from Kraak??

Sorry dude. No Thrudh hate fest here. If you guys want to bump uglies that's your biz. I was referring to the aforementioned person that "needed" Thranes Goggle for their Cleric.

Personally, I know Kraak gets his TS dispelled constantly. And hey, why use a detect secret doors clickie when you can just always see them? Its the difference between uber and noober.

[Kraak]

I now make it clear when putting an item up for roll that I will require the person with the winning roll to loot the item.

Again, you can't "require" someone to loot it. You can request that they do and treat you, as leading the raid, with due respect. But again, this is more of a request. I request people assess need before greed and if it seems that they're struggling with this concept, then I enforce my desire the only way I can. Run a raid short, rather than pick up a greedy bastage.

[Psyk0sisS]

I now make it clear when putting an item up for roll that I will require the person with the winning roll to loot the item.

Last time I saw someone even joke about doing this, both parties were automatically excluded from the roll. They weren't happy, but I know they won't try that **** with me again.

I can vouch, I've been with him on at least one of the times putting up a VoD item

[Drfirewater79]

Its bad form... but really, some fault lies as well with the original person it dropped for, for allowing the paladin to roll. In that situation, I would have simply passed it to the highest caster roll, disregarding any higher roll.

I agree its bad form ...

here is another example ... nameless guild for form rules PC'edness
chattering ring in chest person who got it already had one lets people roll on it ... the person who owned it hated the person who wanted it most cause of all the complaining he made about the item owners slow it down play style (which i have to agree it was annoying took almost 2 hours for a bloody titan run) .... when the complaining player won the roll he mentioned in guild chat that he didnt want to give it to him but because he had already mentioned he had the item and it doesnt stack he decided to let a sorc roll on it .... that sorc couldnt use the item (make your complaints to someone else his ac with the ring wasnt more then 32) ... the true complaint there wasnt that the sorc rolled higher and took the item but that there where players who needed the item and could have used it for everyday gaming.

I think most people should take that into consideration ... if you pick it up its yours to give away roll or not but if its up for roll its no longer yours to deliver and only people who are gonna use the item should beable to roll on it.

that being said the gloves from titan are not just cleric items ... if a pali is gonna wear them all the time he should beable to roll .. same with monk i wear the gloves all the time on my monk cause it helps my mass heal .. i can crit for 80 and the devotion works on mass heals too making my heals about 35 on average.

a palidan doesnt use spell dc's cause he doesnt have offensive spells so no reason for him to roll on napkin at all unless he is a rouge and wants a int cloak ... so he shouldnt have been able to roll on it at all that is totally the fault of the item owner.

[weyoun]

Heh, you got plenty of reasons to hate me, but I didn't post anything about a battle cleric.

All I said is that goggles work for all melee, and then I agreed that the Search and Spot make them better for the rogue...

I'm guessing you probably agree with me in this particular thread...

maybe, i still like to make fun of you and would really like to know who you are so i can hate on you properly in-game. I mean how many times have i posted my alts for others to avoid, and yet my critics can't seem to muster up the minerals to do the same.

[secondchance]

Let's not be too hasty with Enochroot, perhaps his BC has the other two pieces of Thranes set and was looking forward to getting featherfall

lol braegan you kill me bro ..... of course he'd have to being using a DT outfit right casue otherwise why also use the bracers ..... so I guess maybe he's one of those monk cleric's .right???? yep I agree w/ him guys ...his battle cleric monk is gimped enough to warrent taking the goggles ....he needs all the help he can get ...but at least he has ff now

[Kraak]

maybe, i still like to make fun of you and would really like to know who you are so i can hate on you properly in-game. I mean how many times have i posted my alts for others to avoid, and yet my critics can't seem to muster up the minerals to do the same.

Wait a sec - Thrudh - the guy that said everyone's carried you through the last 7 toons you power leveled because you didn't have greensteel weapons? Is that the same guy? Or is that someone else? I forget these things.

[weyoun]

Wait a sec - Thrudh - the guy that said everyone's carried you through the last 7 toons you power leveled because you didn't have greensteel weapons? Is that the same guy? Or is that someone else? I forget these things.

Yeah its the same guy. My barby and ranger 14/1/1 still don't have GS. ::shrug::