Rolling for an item then passing it to someone else, ok or bad?

[Melthus]

Tonight I was on a stormreaver run, napkin dropped, It is up for roll. The people who can use it roll. There is a tie for first until a paladin rolls higher, which seems a bit odd, but he can cast spells so they let him win. However, he does not loot the napkin, he gives it to a sorceror who already had rolled and lost. Maybe I am just overreacting but that seemed seedy to me.

[Enochroot]

Tonight I was on a stormreaver run, napkin dropped, It is up for roll. The people who can use it roll. There is a tie for first until a paladin rolls higher, which seems a bit odd, but he can cast spells so they let him win. However, he does not loot the napkin, he gives it to a sorceror who already had rolled and lost. Maybe I am just overreacting but that seemed seedy to me.

Seedy, but it happens. If you care enough, put them on your do not group list. Honestly, the napkin is easy to get, so I wouldn't worry about it.

[Melthus]

23 runs on that character and was my first chance to roll on it

[PaintHorseCowboy]

Unless someone specified some restrictions other than common sense, which we all know isn't common, then opinions about seediness aside, it's his.

He won it so he can do with it as he chooses. If that means he chooses to give it to a guildie, RL frield, someone he thinks has a hot voice in party chat, or whatever, no one can really stop him once they've turned it over to him.

I don't think anyone would really fault someone for taking care of a guildie anyway.

Only way to avoid this is have guild-only runs all the time. Then you can set your loot policies with your friends for whatever works best for your group. Pug enough and eventually this happens so best to just realize it and go play the game.

[Mr_Ed7]

Its not illegal to smoke a cigar, but they sure do STINK!

[Aranticus]

Unless someone specified some restrictions other than common sense, which we all know isn't common, then opinions about seediness aside, it's his.

He won it so he can do with it as he chooses. If that means he chooses to give it to a guildie, RL frield, someone he thinks has a hot voice in party chat, or whatever, no one can really stop him once they've turned it over to him.

I don't think anyone would really fault someone for taking care of a guildie anyway.

Only way to avoid this is have guild-only runs all the time. Then you can set your loot policies with your friends for whatever works best for your group. Pug enough and eventually this happens so best to just realize it and go play the game.

its because of people like these that i choose to only pass the loot over (especially when there are many rollers) only when the winner and i are left in the instance. this way, there is absolutely no way he can pass his loot to others

my logic is simple, you are going to use it then roll for it. if you are going to sell it off, or to pass to another player, then forget about it. no one would really fault someone for taking care of a guildie ie passing your loot straight to the guildie w/o offering it up for roll. but to delve into shady practices will often create a bad rep

[Uska]

It's bad form

[ArkoHighStar]

its because of people like these that i choose to only pass the loot over (especially when there are many rollers) only when the winner and i are left in the instance. this way, there is absolutely no way he can pass his loot to others

my logic is simple, you are going to use it then roll for it. if you are going to sell it off, or to pass to another player, then forget about it. no one would really fault someone for taking care of a guildie ie passing your loot straight to the guildie w/o offering it up for roll. but to delve into shady practices will often create a bad rep

I agree looting something you pull, even if you cdon't need it might be bad manners but it is your loot, even pawning it directly to a guildie wiwthout a role is still within the realm of acceptable. But rolling on loot to give to your guildie or friend is too much, The argument in another post is its your loot so you can do with it as you please, well its only yours through the generosity of someone else who actually pulled it. Condoning behaviour like that simply means groups will roll for their friends against other groups making it just stupid. Practices like that on argo would basically send you to pariah ville on our server.

[Aranticus]

I agree looting something you pull, even if you cdon't need it might be bad manners but it is your loot, even pawning it directly to a guildie wiwthout a role is still within the realm of acceptable. But rolling on loot to give to your guildie or friend is too much, The argument in another post is its your loot so you can do with it as you please, well its only yours through the generosity of someone else who actually pulled it. Condoning behaviour like that simply means groups will roll for their friends against other groups making it just stupid. Practices like that on argo would basically send you to pariah ville on our server.

i agree with you agreeing with me

[Clay]

Its bad form... but really, some fault lies as well with the original person it dropped for, for allowing the paladin to roll. In that situation, I would have simply passed it to the highest caster roll, disregarding any higher roll.

[Groggg]

Its bad form... but really, some fault lies as well with the original person it dropped for, for allowing the paladin to roll. In that situation, I would have simply passed it to the highest caster roll, disregarding any higher roll.

Agreed, However if the person allowing the roll did not specify that only casters could roll then it is open game.

Bad Form---maybe
Does it happen alot----Most definately

Best of luck next run

[Kraak]

Agreed, However if the person allowing the roll did not specify that only casters could roll then it is open game.

Hmmm....I love how we get bound by our own technicalities. If you pull this **** in my raids. You make my friends list and are never coming back to one of my raids. Big deal in the end for the perp? Probably not. But that's the only control I've got, and I use it.

I'm not sure whats happening on our server lately. Common sense has dropped about 30 IQ points. I do periodically purge my friends list as people sometimes change. I did this back in late April. Since then, my friends list is larger than its (for WEYOUN) EVER BEEN. Which has left me relatively dumbfounded. The Reaver seems to be the biggest place where people tard on loot.

On Xoriat, it was a pretty common informal expectation of "Need before greed". I found this was consistent with players from Thelanis and Tharashk after the merge (with the exception of one guild). However lately, I've seen a case where 5 casters needed the Dreamsplitter (and who do all the heavy lifting in the Reaver) only to watch the Sword and Board Fighter take it. Probably not even realizing what it is. Now there are edge cases where "Need before greed" is less clear. But in a lot of others its exceptionally clear.

The raid loot mechanic in the game promotes an anything goes atmosphere but that kind of c rap doesn't fly in my raids.

The trolls can come in with the finer points of rule mongering as they usually do. However my intent in this post is to make it public, in my raids there's an expectation of need before greed. As far as I how I enforce this, its not always possible to know everyone's alts. When I can, I list them. When I can't, Guild tags are just as good. In my mind, its not fair to have a ****** bag in my party that will pull **** on the people I normally run with. And I'd rather err on the side of my in-game friends than someone I don't know.

So if you're sitting there going, what's this guys problem, why won't he let me in. Consider that you and or someone in your guild may be making your guild look bad.

[Thrudh]

It's bad form...

its because of people like these that i choose to only pass the loot over (especially when there are many rollers) only when the winner and i are left in the instance. this way, there is absolutely no way he can pass his loot to others

I like this idea and I'll have to start doing it...

[Braegan]

It's bad form, and sadly it seems to be on the rise. Honestly, I don't understand why people don't understand that need before greed does prevail, as the raiding guilds don't invite greedy folks a second time. So you can walk away once greedy or come back again and again to farm the loots.

[secondchance]

I don't like that it happened ...however I would first fault the puller of said item for allowing the pally to roll...... in my raids that I form I always have "it's yours you can do what you want with it" policy...and I believe that ...if you just switch a item to a friend I'm okay w/ that ...if you decided you want to keep a item just to sell I'm fine w/ that too but there may be some things that are trigered by you acting in such a way ....

reaver not too bad though...VOD ....man that's raid is a problem all in it;s self

every caster wants the bracers arcane or divine...and the goggles ...man if you are rogue they have to either drop for you, drop in a 20th completions ..... or you need to be in legion call it before and everyone else already has it before will be able to get thoses I've seen clerics and bards take the goggles fighters and rangers barbs ...even seen 5 differnt intim tanks take them .....all in grps where the rogues were basically begging just for a chance to roll on them ....I have a lot of melee's I will not roll against a rogue for those but I think I might be the only person on the server like that

[Psyk0sisS]

I have a guildy that will sometimes try to roll to help me but I dont accept the offer because I think its wrong too. Along the same lines is like someone mentioned for the Dreamspitter. I was in VoD with my rogue and pulled the caster bracers, called for a roll...and after the casters rolled, a Barb (i think it was) rolled and won...I guess for the Fire Shield. I didn't have to give it to him, and I felt horrible, because I ASSUMED only casters would roll (need b4 greed). Since I didn't put any rules on who can roll, I felt it wouldn't be right to renig. He did not transfer to anyone either, he looted.

Next time, I know to put a stipulation on my stuff up for roll

[Thrudh]

and the goggles ...man if you are rogue they have to either drop for you, drop in a 20th completions ..... or you need to be in legion call it before and everyone else already has it before will be able to get thoses I've seen clerics and bards take the goggles fighters and rangers barbs ...even seen 5 differnt intim tanks take them .....all in grps where the rogues were basically begging just for a chance to roll on them ....I have a lot of melee's I will not roll against a rogue for those but I think I might be the only person on the server like that

Well, they help every melee... I'm surprised we can get sneak attack damage even without the ability... But since everyone can get an extra +8 damage (and +5 to hit!) whenever you don't have aggro... that's huge for everyone... Think about raid boss fights... Those big guys can only aggro on 1 person at a time... That leaves 7-8 melees all of whom can get the extra +8 damage per swing...

Sneak attack should probably only occur if you have at least 1 level of rogue...

[Melthus]

I don't like that it happened ...however I would first fault the puller of said item for allowing the pally to roll...... in my raids that I form I always have "it's yours you can do what you want with it" policy...and I believe that ...if you just switch a item to a friend I'm okay w/ that ...if you decided you want to keep a item just to sell I'm fine w/ that too but there may be some things that are trigered by you acting in such a way ....

If the pally had been the one to pull the napkin, I would not have felt the same. I agree with the idea that if you pull it, it's yours. I probably would not have felt too bad if he had actually looted it, but to roll then pass it to another was just underhanded.

[secondchance]

Well, they help every melee... I'm surprised we can get sneak attack damage even without the ability... But since everyone can get an extra +8 damage (and +5 to hit!) whenever you don't have aggro... that's huge for everyone... Think about raid boss fights... Those big guys can only aggro on 1 person at a time... That leaves 7-8 melees all of whom can get the extra +8 damage per swing...

Sneak attack should probably only occur if you have at least 1 level of rogue...

feel guilty ?????

I not picking ...just stating that the item is designed for a rogue (clearly it is)
after rogues any dex based melee should try to get them (dex rangers need that item IMO)
than any "lesser" melee that NEEDS help w/ dps I can see why they would want it I.... a intim tank taking it ....give me a break

listen I believe you loot is your loot ...... but you know what I do vod w/ 15 differnt toons I have over 250 completions between my 2 accounts I only play 2 rogues...I've never rolled against a rogue for the goggles and hsc one of my pure dwarf fighters has passed it 3 differnt times to a rogue

[Enochroot]

feel guilty ?????

I not picking ...just stating that the item is designed for a rogue (clearly it is)
after rogues any dex based melee should try to get them (dex rangers need that item IMO)
than any "lesser" melee that NEEDS help w/ dps I can see why they would want it I.... a intim tank taking it ....give me a break

listen I believe you loot is your loot ...... but you know what I do vod w/ 15 differnt toons I have over 250 completions between my 2 accounts I only play 2 rogues...I've never rolled against a rogue for the goggles and hsc one of my pure dwarf fighters has passed it 3 differnt times to a rogue

I'm sorry, why? Because of the search 15?

That is an easily attainable item that don't need to be on a static main item. Yeah, it saves you an item slot. But where are other melee's going to get +5/+8 SA from? And this percentage increase is much greater than for a rogue who already gets massive sneak attack (ESPECIALLY helping low to-hit melee's).

This item helps my battle cleric much more than your rogue. I'll mail you the +15 search item. Thanks.