assasin rouge

[ChadMan]

does any one have any tips, things to bewair of, or any thing i should put my stats in to.

any help would be loved

thanks
chadman

[Viking707]

The prerequisites for Way of the Assassin II will take up most of the skill points thru level 12. The few left over I spent on faster sneaking since you have to be in sneak mode for "Assasinate" to work.

Interesting Note: I've had a lot of success assassinating beholders in VoN 2 and 3.

-V

[baddax]

I believe Int is the Stat modifier for Assasinate. so you will want a decent anmount of Int.

[Zaal]

What else would your Assassin to be?

For example if you're REALLY wanting solely to focus on an Assassinate, you'd go say, Drow and max your INT to 20 when you roll.

But of course realize that Assassination won't work on End Bosses and you seemingly get to a point in the game where the End Boss is really what matters.

I know I'll prob take a hit on that last statement but, having myself a Drow Rogue Assassin that sports a every high INT, you generally don't build a reputation on Assassinate but instead the DPS you can dish out and how well you stay up.

So, you want an Assassin and what else?

[kamimitsu]

I wouldn't max INT. Sure it's nice for skill points and Assassinate DC, but as pointed out DPS is generally considered more useful. That pushes me to recommend Halfling, though the difference is pretty small.

Some minor advice:
Skip AssassinI. That is, from Level 6 to 12 go with Mechanic (and guarantee you'll never miss a trap even well above your level) or Acrobat (speedy, jumpy, dodgy) until you are ready for AssassinII. AssassinI is next to useless.

AssassinIII is looking very promising, so if you multiclass (which isn't a great idea on an Assassin in most cases), then don't go more than 2 non-rogue levels.

Faster Sneaking III or better is a very, very good thing. If you can't get to the target easily and quickly, you'll never get your hit in.

[D'rin]

Would you then go dex based halfling I take it and not worry about str to much?

[kamimitsu]

Would you then go dex based halfling I take it and not worry about str to much?

D'rin, I'm not sure to whom that question was directed, but my answer is "kinda".

My personal choice would be Dex-based Halfling with 11-13 STR. DEX 15-17. INT 13-15. CON 11-13. WIS 9. CHA whatever is left. All of those can be evened out with Tomes, etc. I generally do everything I can to NOT spend more than 2 points for any ability. Level ups in DEX (or alternately DEX/INT or DEX/STR)

My reasoning:

• STR is necessary for carrying capacity (and DMG to a point on a Sneak Attack Dex build), so you can't skimp completely.
• DEX is awesome for your To-Hit and AC, but I find that unless you are really going for AC, much over 30 end game is overkill as your To-Hit during Sneak Attack will be very very high.
• CON is always a good thing, but aggro management can make up for somewhat low HP. 300 at current end-game is a good marker, and you can do it with that range.
• WIS for Spot and Will Saves. Your will saves will blow, so you can go with Slippery Mind or Force of Personality. Spot is not incredibly important if you keep you skill up and get an item (for the few cases where it is necessary).
• CHA for UMD, Diplo. Both of these are your friend. If you go very high CHA then Force of Personality is the way to go. I'd opt for somewhat lower CHA (12 ish?)

[baddax]

D'rin, I'm not sure to whom that question was directed, but my answer is "kinda".

My personal choice would be Dex-based Halfling with 11-13 STR. DEX 15-17. INT 13-15. CON 11-13. WIS 9. CHA whatever is left. All of those can be evened out with Tomes, etc. I generally do everything I can to NOT spend more than 2 points for any ability. Level ups in DEX (or alternately DEX/INT or DEX/STR)

My reasoning:

• STR is necessary for carrying capacity (and DMG to a point on a Sneak Attack Dex build), so you can't skimp completely.
• DEX is awesome for your To-Hit and AC, but I find that unless you are really going for AC, much over 30 end game is overkill as your To-Hit during Sneak Attack will be very very high.
• CON is always a good thing, but aggro management can make up for somewhat low HP. 300 at current end-game is a good marker, and you can do it with that range.
• WIS for Spot and Will Saves. Your will saves will blow, so you can go with Slippery Mind or Force of Personality. Spot is not incredibly important if you keep you skill up and get an item (for the few cases where it is necessary).
• CHA for UMD, Diplo. Both of these are your friend. If you go very high CHA then Force of Personality is the way to go. I'd opt for somewhat lower CHA (12 ish?)

Very good point.

[QuantumFX]

The biggest piece of advice I can give you about playing an assassin is:

“Learn how to setup and use your hotkeys”

Let me help you in case you didn't understand the first time:

“Learn how to setup and use your hotkeys”

Yes. It really is that important.

You have a very powerful insta kill ability that depends on you being able to both go into sneak mode and being able to activate without using your mouse.

The question of INT on an assassin: If you're spending 2 or more build points at character creation to bump your INT then your INT is too high. You also do not need to put level ups into your INT. 50-60% of your Assassinate DC will come from your rogue levels alone. If you want to buff your assassinate DC at high levels Just make a Radience II rapier that looks like +6 INT(Fire), Good Burst(Positive), +2 Exceptional INT(Fire)

[kamimitsu]

You have a very powerful insta kill ability that depends on you being able to both go into sneak mode and being able to activate without using your mouse.

I guess I'm weird, then. I actually have them on my mouse buttons: one for sneak, one for assassinate. I always have my side buttons set to my 2 main combat abilities (or spells). I highly recommend a mouse with programmable side buttons!

[Feylina]

my first assasin build was a max int build and i love her.

i went
8 str
14 con
18 dex
18 int
8 wis
8 char

i took added 3 to int for ability ups and plan on putting the last 2 into dex.
i have no points into skill boosts or anything atm and haven't missed a spot and my dd is 55 on the dice. that frees up my ap that's left over from assasin to put into more damage and +att for sneak.

i think i would have built her differently however if i were to do it over. i think i would tempest the build. i'd keep the stat points about the same, i think trying to str base the build would spread it too thin.
not liking the look of the assasin III and the capstone is ****. as it stands i will take this toon to 19 / 1 rogue something. if not just keep pure for hope of a better capstone.

[Varr]

Rogues are hard pressed to spend more than one for one at creation. 14 int is plenty and to can still have some con/str. Two weapon chain is the second most important thing a rogue needs. The first is agro management. Assassinate is a fun toy and solo tool, but your going to be a critter lawn mower anyway with good agro management. Max subtile backstabber.

[Psyk0sisS]

Subtle BS and when you can..GET THE THARNES SET! I currently have -40% BS agro, its quite nice, especially in VoD where I can go all out w/o pulling agro.

...got me thinking just now, wonder if (brain phart, too early) the rogue wpn from Reaver stacks...they suck anyway but got me thinking.

[Lymnus]

Treason should stack. I've heard from rogues that it does.

[QuantumFX]

I guess I'm weird, then. I actually have them on my mouse buttons: one for sneak, one for assassinate. I always have my side buttons set to my 2 main combat abilities (or spells). I highly recommend a mouse with programmable side buttons!

My advice is for those without 50 different buttons on their mice! (I could come up with some better wording but I'm working off 3 hours sleep after a night of 6 hours sleep.) Point is, If you have to move your courser all over the screen to reach your assassinate then you're going to hate it. And that's not cool for such an awesome ability.

[Geonis]

Well, readin this thread got me thinkin bout makin my own Assassin.

Thoughts about the below?

EDIT: I didn't spend the last 5 levels of skill points, assume 5 more ranks in Balance, Diplomacy, Hide, Intimidate, Jump, Move Silently, Open Lock, Search, Spot, Tumble, and Use Magic Device

Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 2.96
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Level 16 True Neutral Halfling Male
(15 Rogue \ 1 Wizard) 
Hit Points: 146
Spell Points: 180 
BAB: 11\11\16\21
Fortitude: 8
Reflex: 18
Will: 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 16)
Strength             12                    13
Dexterity            18                    26
Constitution         14                    14
Intelligence         16                    16
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma              8                     8

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 14

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 16)
Balance               4                     9.5
Bluff                -1                     5
Concentration         2                     2
Diplomacy             3                    13
Disable Device        7                    19
Haggle               -1                    -1
Heal                 -1                    -1
Hide                  8                    32
Intimidate            3                    13
Jump                  5                     8
Listen               -1                     1
Move Silently         8                    32
Open Lock             8                    22
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Repair                3                     3
Search                7                    18
Spot                  3                    12
Swim                  1                     1
Tumble                8                    22
Use Magic Device      3                    13

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device I


Level 2 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Hide I
Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently I
Enhancement: Rogue Search I


Level 3 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Extend Spell
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Finesse
Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I


Level 4 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Wrack Construct I
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar I


Level 5 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabber I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II


Level 6 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Combat Expertise
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking II
Enhancement: Rogue Hide II


Level 7 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II
Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently II


Level 8 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity II


Level 9 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabber II
Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device II


Level 10 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking III


Level 11 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Cripling Strike
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabber III
Enhancement: Rogue Wrack Construct II


Level 12 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III


Level 13 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III


Level 14 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking IV


Level 15 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Enhancement: Way of the Assassin I
Enhancement: Way of the Assassin II


Level 16 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II

[Thriand]

Well, readin this thread got me thinkin bout makin my own Assassin.

Thoughts about the below?

Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 2.96
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Level 16 True Neutral Halfling Male
(15 Rogue \ 1 Wizard) 
Hit Points: 146
Spell Points: 180 
BAB: 11\11\16\21
Fortitude: 8
Reflex: 18
Will: 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 16)
Strength             12                    13
Dexterity            18                    26
Constitution         14                    14
Intelligence         16                    16
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma              8                     8

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 14

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 16)
Balance               4                     9.5
Bluff                -1                     5
Concentration         2                     2
Diplomacy             3                    13
Disable Device        7                    19
Haggle               -1                    -1
Heal                 -1                    -1
Hide                  8                    32
Intimidate            3                    13
Jump                  5                     8
Listen               -1                     1
Move Silently         8                    32
Open Lock             8                    22
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Repair                3                     3
Search                7                    18
Spot                  3                    12
Swim                  1                     1
Tumble                8                    22
Use Magic Device      3                    13

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device I


Level 2 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Hide I
Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently I
Enhancement: Rogue Search I


Level 3 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Extend Spell
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Finesse
Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I


Level 4 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Wrack Construct I
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar I


Level 5 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabber I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II


Level 6 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Combat Expertise
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking II
Enhancement: Rogue Hide II


Level 7 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II
Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently II


Level 8 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity II


Level 9 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabber II
Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device II


Level 10 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking III


Level 11 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Cripling Strike
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabber III
Enhancement: Rogue Wrack Construct II


Level 12 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III


Level 13 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III


Level 14 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking IV


Level 15 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Enhancement: Way of the Assassin I
Enhancement: Way of the Assassin II


Level 16 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II

Why the wizard level?

[Geonis]

Why the wizard level?

The Rogue capstone is meh, and it gives me the ability to use wands starting at a low level, as well as a self cast Shield (2 mins) or no fail Shield wands (even at low level).

I could just as easily do with out the Wiz level, but don't see any reason to go pure either.

EDIT: Mostly, because I don't want to splash 2 levels and lose a Rogue feat, and was thinking what gives the most bang for the buck with 1 level.

[baddax]

If you start with at least a 12 wisdom, monk is the most bang for the buck imo. wis AC bonus + Free feat is hard to beat for 1 level. and UMD is a class skill for rogues so shield wands and such should not really be an issue.
Of course losing 1 DC to your assasinate can be a significant loss depending on end games DC's.

[Geonis]

If you start with at least a 12 wisdom, monk is the most bang for the buck imo. wis AC bonus + Free feat is hard to beat for 1 level. and UMD is a class skill for rogues so shield wands and such should not really be an issue.
Of course losing 1 DC to your assasinate can be a significant loss depending on end games DC's.

Yeah, but where to free up the stat points for Wis?

As you said, can't really afford to take it from Int, can't lose more HPs, and Dex is a no-no. I could dump Str completely, but I've done that before and really wouldn't do that again.