intimitank build

[Reisei]

is this any good? if not suggestions?
i had the word "chewtoy" in my mind while slapping it together

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Level 16 Lawful Good Dwarf Male
(14 Fighter \ 2 Paladin) 
Hit Points: 280
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 16\16\21\26\26
Fortitude: 17
Reflex: 13
Will: 12

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 16)
Strength             14                    14
Dexterity            16                    22
Constitution         14                    14
Intelligence         12                    13
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma             13                    14

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 1
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 16

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 16)
Balance               5                    18.5
Bluff                 1                     2
Concentration         2                     2
Diplomacy             1                     2
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle                1                     2
Heal                 -1                    -1
Hide                  3                     6
Intimidate            5                    29
Jump                  2                     2
Listen               -1                    -1
Move Silently         3                     6
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                1                     1
Search                1                     3
Spot                 -1                    -1
Swim                  2                     2
Tumble                n/a                   n/a
Use Magic Device      3                    14.5

Level 1 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Finesse


Level 2 (Paladin)


Level 3 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Force of Personality


Level 4 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Combat Expertise


Level 5 (Fighter)


Level 6 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Iron Will
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Shield Mastery


Level 7 (Fighter)


Level 8 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 9 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Bullheaded


Level 10 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Shield Mastery


Level 11 (Fighter)


Level 12 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Dodge
Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Use Magic Device


Level 13 (Fighter)


Level 14 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Resilience


Level 15 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Intimidate


Level 16 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Shield Bash
Enhancement: Dwarven Armor Mastery I
Enhancement: Dwarven Armor Mastery II
Enhancement: Dwarven Armor Mastery III
Enhancement: Dwarven Giant Dodger I
Enhancement: Dwarven Shield Mastery I
Enhancement: Dwarven Shield Mastery II
Enhancement: Dwarven Shield Mastery III
Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense I
Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense II
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Mastery II
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Mastery III
Enhancement: Fighter Item Defense I
Enhancement: Fighter Tower Shield Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Tower Shield Mastery II
Enhancement: Fighter Tower Shield Mastery III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Fighter Intimidate I
Enhancement: Fighter Intimidate II
Enhancement: Fighter Intimidate III
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III

[Reisei]

hmm forgot DAs are not finesse... guess ill be switching to imp crit pierce
decided to drop str to 10. raise con to 16. raise cha to 14 so i can put a +1 tome on to reach 16 w/ the pally enhancement
ill be sacrificing 2 dmg for 16 hp, +1 fort&ref, +2will and +1 intim&UMD

[Aaxeyu]

Your damage will be non-existant, and hence your build will be a "gimp".
You'll have a lot lower damage than most intimidate tanks have today, and they already have immensly low dps.

Going something like; this gives you a lot more versitality and almost the same tanking. The dps on this build will be close to the ones on a "real" dps build.

The advice I'll give you is basically; don't make a S&B tank.

[FluffyCalico]

The advice I'll give you is basically; don't make a S&B tank.

I will not comment on that except to say there is an entire Pre for what you are telling him not to do.

[Noctus]

The generalidea and the level split is fine.

But an Intimitank also need to be able to switch his combat modus to DPS mode to be able to kill stuff when Intimitanking is not a good strategy.


Your primary combat modus will be Sword&Board style intimidating stuff. But you need to be able to switch to TWF or THF to kill stuff when necessary, or you will be gimped.

A Fighter has enough feats to take a complete chain of these styles, without running short on feats. Thats the advantage of fighters. Versatility. Not being stuck in 1 combat style.


Changes needed to make the original concept into an asset of the partys you will join:


Strength 16 (all level ups here)
Dexterity 14
Constitution 16
Intelligence 12
Wisdom 8
Charisma 12


Forget UMD if you dont have a Class to unlock its full ranks. You wont get it high enough to be really usefull, instead just wasting build resources.

Kick the following feats, they are rubbish:
- Weapon Finess
- Resilence
- Improved Shield Bash

Take these out, there are better feats to invest into on your build:
- SF:UMD
- Iron Will (Your will save will be good even without it- dwarfen resistance, FoP, Paladin Aura)

Take the following feats:
- THF
- ITHF
- GTHF
- Weapon Focus: Slashing
- Weapon Spec:Slashing

You should take SF:Intimidate earlier.


You dont need to sacrifice all your damage dealing potential to be a good Intimitank!
Go Dwarfen Axe & Board as your standart combat style and intimidate. And switch to a Greataxe to dish out damage when that is needed. Initmidation is a great ability your tank will be very good at, but its not a thing usefull 24/7.

[Reisei]

The generalidea and the level split is fine.

But an Intimitank also need to be able to switch his combat modus to DPS mode to be able to kill stuff when Intimitanking is not a good strategy.


Your primary combat modus will be Sword&Board style intimidating stuff. But you need to be able to switch to TWF or THF to kill stuff when necessary, or you will be gimped.

A Fighter has enough feats to take a complete chain of these styles, without running short on feats. Thats the advantage of fighters. Versatility. Not being stuck in 1 combat style.


Changes needed to make the original concept into an asset of the partys you will join:


Strength 16 (all level ups here)
Dexterity 14
Constitution 16
Intelligence 12
Wisdom 8
Charisma 12


Forget UMD if you dont have a Class to unlock its full ranks. You wont get it high enough to be really usefull, instead just wasting build resources.

Kick the following feats, they are rubbish:
- Weapon Finess
- Resilence
- Improved Shield Bash

Take these out, there are better feats to invest into on your build:
- SF:UMD
- Iron Will (Your will save will be good even without it- dwarfen resistance, FoP, Paladin Aura)

Take the following feats:
- THF
- ITHF
- GTHF
- Weapon Focus: Slashing
- Weapon Spec:Slashing

You should take SF:Intimidate earlier.


You dont need to sacrifice all your damage dealing potential to be a good Intimitank!
Go Dwarfen Axe & Board as your standart combat style and intimidate. And switch to a Greataxe to dish out damage when that is needed. Initmidation is a great ability your tank will be very good at, but its not a thing usefull 24/7.

Would doing that except staying dex based and taking TWF feats be an option? also doesnt the smite evil thing go twice when you dual wield?
i like the umd though cause ill be able to get it around 20 and thats what you need for most RR stuff. besides what am i gonna spend my skill points on jump?

[Shade]

If by "good" you mean "useless mana sponge"

Then yea, its quite good.

Basic requirement of EVERY fighter:
16+ strength (18 very highly recommended)
Power Attack Feat.

If you do not have these, you are not even worth being called a fighter.

[Aaxeyu]

I will not comment on that except to say there is an entire Pre for what you are telling him not to do.

No, but there is a an entire pre designed about tanking, and who said you have to be gimped with 100% S&B to do that?

[Noctus]

Would doing that except staying dex based and taking TWF feats be an option? also doesnt the smite evil thing go twice when you dual wield?

Forget DEX-based fighters. Besides costing a feat, most important their damage output is very poor. They are "weak" by nature.

With only 2 levels of Paladin, the effect of your smites is tiny. You can smite, but it wont have any real noticeable effect what so ever. the power of smites is dependant on the number of Paladin levels you have.

Yes, you can switch to TWF, instead of THF. But how exactly depends on your tome assets.
Although you would have to take the necessary raise of DEX out of CHA. If you can get your hands on a +2 DEX tome, you only need to lower CHA by 2, which is a viable deal to get significatly better DPS than THF. Otherwise you´d have to lower CHA by 4.

i like the umd though cause ill be able to get it around 20 and thats what you need for most RR stuff. besides what am i gonna spend my skill points on jump?

By the time you get UMD to 20, you will be using Shroud weapons. Almost all weapons are not RR, so investing skill points and a precious feat into this you get aboost to your ability only in a fracture of your fighting time, while if you invest the feat into either your defence (AC or saves), offence (like weapon spec) or tactics (intimidate) you will gain from it much more often.

Good skills to invest are Intimidate (obviously), as well as Jump (jumping over melee trash to kill the really dangerous casters 1st is very nice. Then deal with the lesss dangerous melees afther you are finished with them) and Balance (you are useless the times when you are lying on your back).