Trying to put together a tank monk

[deathofspam]

So I want to put together an AC tank monk, but I am not sure what the best splash is going to be to get it done. It seems a Drow will be best suited for the race so I can get the extra skill points from the int, and the boost to cha so I don't have to spend so much there for intimidate. Should I go Rogue so I can get UMD as well, or as a tanking monk, will that be useful but not necessary, allowing me to go fighter instead? If anyone has build suggestions, that would be greatly appreciated as well.

[Inspire]

18Mnk/1Rog/1Rgr, I would personally make a Human if you have access to 32pt builds.

[deathofspam]

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[deathofspam]

Using human, does this seem like a reasonable setup? +2 str tome is the only one I used because it is the only +2 tome I actually have at the moment, though I can probably get another one if needed.

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Spamly the Monkey
Level 16 Lawful Good Human Male
(14 Monk \ 1 Rogue \ 1 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 200
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 11\11\16\21
Fortitude: 12
Reflex: 18
Will: 15

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 16)
Strength             12                    14
Dexterity            16                    21
Constitution         12                    12
Intelligence         12                    12
Wisdom               15                    19
Charisma             10                    10

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 1

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 16)
Balance               7                    18
Bluff                 0                     0
Concentration         3                    23
Diplomacy             0                     0
Disable Device        5                     5
Haggle                0                     0
Heal                  2                     4
Hide                  3                     5
Intimidate            4                    27
Jump                  6                    14
Listen                6                     9
Move Silently         3                     5
Open Lock             7                     9
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                1                     1
Search                5                     6
Spot                  6                     8
Swim                  2                     2
Tumble                n/a                   n/a
Use Magic Device      4                    17

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Least Dragonmark of Sentinel
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Deneith Intimidation I


Level 2 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Defense I


Level 3 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Weapon Finesse
Enhancement: Disciple of Breezes
Enhancement: Disciple of Pebbles
Enhancement: Disciple of Candles
Enhancement: Disciple of Puddles


Level 4 (Monk)
Ability Raise: DEX
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Discipline


Level 5 (Monk)
Enhancement: Way of the Tenacious Badger I
Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Fists of Light
Enhancement: Monk Concentration I
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom I


Level 6 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Bullheaded
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Dexterity I


Level 7 (Monk)
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Way of the Tenacious Badger II


Level 8 (Monk)
Ability Raise: DEX
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness
Enhancement: Adept of Wind
Enhancement: Adept of Flame
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I


Level 9 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom II


Level 10 (Monk)
Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery II


Level 11 (Monk)
Enhancement: Adept of Rain
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II


Level 12 (Monk)
Ability Raise: DEX
Feat: (Selected) Dodge
Enhancement: Way of the Tenacious Badger III


Level 13 (Monk)
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Wisdom II


Level 14 (Monk)
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom III


Level 15 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Bludgeoning Weapons
Enhancement: Master of Thunder


Level 16 (Monk)
Ability Raise: DEX
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery III

[Aaxeyu]

Here's an Intimidate-Monk one of my friends made:
Intimidate-monk


PS: I'm having a hard time reading through your char-generator build plan. Would be a lot easier if you posted it in clear text (like he has done in the link) or if you at least placed all the enhancements at max level. Thank you.

[valorik]

why the ranger level?

[deathofspam]

I was a little unsure of that one myself. I figured when I was doing the generator on it it would make a little more sense, but I didn't really find anything terribly necessary in the ranger level. The favored enemy is nice and all, but it also keeps out a level of tenacious badger. Looking at the set up, it looks like I will also need to swtich focus: bludgoning with bullheaded so I can get the +1 to hit earlier. This is what happens when I try to put together a character at 2 am it seems

[branmakmuffin]

why the ranger level?

I wondered that, too. If a splash, why not Fighter? For the FE? For the extra skill points? Probably not for the Wild Empathy.

Just curious.

Edit: what does Pal1 get you, anything worthwhile?

[Delacroix21]

Ranger level is useless to the tank build, while the rogue level makes sense for UMD. The build could also splash 2 pally levels for 17/1/2 and have crazy high saves, but they should probably be high enough allready.


I would definately recommend human for the intim tank. Extra +30% healing, feat (take dmarks for more intim), human versatility, etc.

[Magada]

made 1 of these already and he got deleted. End result...In order to get my intmitdate where i need it i had to sacrafice something to get the cha high enough. His dps suffored from it and his ac never got into the mid60's /low 70's so that he didnt get hit. So the intimidate would go off 90 percent of time then they would smack the hell out me with only 56 ac he had (self buffed no chatt ring,or insight wep) and then his dps was less than what it would have been if i just made a inmitdate based fighter. I ended up rerolling the build and mkaing a straight wf monk. Took all the dr feats and enhancements wear docent of defiance and workin on stockin up on titan docents. After he gets to level 20 and gets his 10 epic dr will be dropping all his dr feats sence they dont stack and picking up dodge mobility spring attack(already have the dodge).This guy has mid 50's ac with no buffs no raid gearand has decent dr. With earth earth earth atacks and m/b wraps crit are in the 120-150 range. My suggestion would be to choose a dif class if ur wanting to make a character that has high ac high intimidate. U can not have a build that has high ac(65-70 self buffed) good intimidate(50-60 standing) and has top dps just cant do it. So it seems u want a wall basically.

[deathofspam]

The saves on the pally would be amazing, but would it really be worth missing out on tier 3 PrEs? It would also I believe lock out the highest level of wind stance.

[Aaxeyu]

made 1 of these already and he got deleted. End result...In order to get my intmitdate where i need it i had to sacrafice something to get the cha high enough. His dps suffored from it and his ac never got into the mid60's /low 70's so that he didnt get hit. So the intimidate would go off 90 percent of time then they would smack the hell out me with only 56 ac he had (self buffed no chatt ring,or insight wep) and then his dps was less than what it would have been if i just made a inmitdate based fighter. I ended up rerolling the build and mkaing a straight wf monk. Took all the dr feats and enhancements wear docent of defiance and workin on stockin up on titan docents. After he gets to level 20 and gets his 10 epic dr will be dropping all his dr feats sence they dont stack and picking up dodge mobility spring attack(already have the dodge).This guy has mid 50's ac with no buffs no raid gearand has decent dr. With earth earth earth atacks and m/b wraps crit are in the 120-150 range. My suggestion would be to choose a dif class if ur wanting to make a character that has high ac high intimidate. U can not have a build that has high ac(65-70 self buffed) good intimidate(50-60 standing) and has top dps just cant do it. So it seems u want a wall basically.

Check the link I made earlier in this post, that build has:
69 unbuffed ac
77 self buffed
81 self buffed + HV boost (4)
94 raid buffed + hv boost (4)

Intimidate score of:
66 unbuffed
70 self buffed
72 with song
76 with HV

Can drop GTWF for greater mark of the sentiel for another +2 intimidate.

Healing amp:
226%
Combined with light path that's some great self healing.

Improved evasion with mid 30's self buffed ref save

Now tell me if that's not good for an intimidate tank. Sure, it takes a while to get the loot, since it needs icy, +8 armor bracers, some tomes etc; but that's like the best stats you can possibly get on an intimidate-tank.
Monks are bad in every possible way, except making intimidate-tanks.

The saves on the pally would be amazing, but would it really be worth missing out on tier 3 PrEs? It would also I believe lock out the highest level of wind stance.

Indeed, the saves would be great, but missing out on potentially amazing Teir III Prc's, hardly worth it. You'll have good enough saves anyways with going monk.
And as you said, it also locks out windstance IV for another +1 dex and attackspeed.

[Fennario]

Now tell me if that's not good for an intimidate tank. Sure, it takes a while to get the loot, since it needs icy, +8 armor bracers, some tomes etc; but that's like the best stats you can possibly get on an intimidate-tank.
Monks are bad in every possible way, except making intimidate-tanks.

Sure its a good build. But the fact that it uses FOUR +4 tomes in its breakdown makes it a little misleading. As far as I know there has only been one +4 tome pulled in the game so far from the festival jester for a lucky gold coin roll.

[Aaxeyu]

Sure its a good build. But the fact that it uses FOUR +4 tomes in its breakdown makes it a little misleading. As far as I know there has only been one +4 tome pulled in the game so far from the festival jester for a lucky gold coin roll.

Indeed, but if you read a bit more:

Obviously not all these tomes are needed, could always go with the lesser varient and lose -1 mod in stats, but this is how they will look at the end.

with +2 tomes that's basically -1 ac, -1 intimidate, -1 str modifier and -16(20) hp. Hardly build-breaking.


PS: +4 tomes will be what you pull from the mod 9 raids... Probably.

[Inspire]

I suggested Ranger for the Sprint Boost, Skills Boost and Resist Boost. At lvl 18Mnk you will have the fastest character in the game to catch mobs and grab agro before others can, the resist boost is nice for damage mitigation, and skills boost for UMD and Intimidate should you choose to not go human(HV).

[Fennario]

with +2 tomes that's basically -1 ac, -1 intimidate, -1 str modifier and -16(20) hp. Hardly build-breaking.

Agreed. Just pointing out that these numbers are currently unachievable.

PS: +4 tomes will be what you pull from the mod 9 raids... Probably.

No doubt. When mod 9 gets here. When will that be? A week? A month? A year? Then how many times will the raid have to be run to acquire four +4 tomes? I'm guessing quite a bit. It will be a long, long, long, long time I am afraid.

[Borror0]

PS: +4 tomes will be what you pull from the mod 9 raids... Probably.

Around a year ago, +4 tomes were confirmed to drop in Module 9.

[Kaboth]

Did anyone factor that a a straight 20th level monk will have DR10/Epic for tanking purposes, the end cap enhancer? Not saying its critical, but its just another defensive measure for monks. I know my SR fires off quite a bit, add monk saves and other factors I think a monk can tank somewhat. Especially if designed properly, however there is always a trade off. As far as race, I always prefer Humans, but unless its changed, wouldnt a halfling be a decent tank just due to defensive bonuses. Maybe sacrifice some strength for charisma and intelligence, for either race, and boost Intimidate. I added diplomacy and monk/human recovery to my monk with a primary focus on Wisdom, secondary focus on Strength and Dex and Con. Helps for survivability.

[Borror0]

Did anyone factor that a a straight 20th level monk will have DR10/Epic for tanking purposes, the end cap enhancer?

Everyone did, but if you have insane survivability, no DPS and lack the ability to grab aggro, you are a gimp (to put it bluntly).

Therefore, having a decent Intimidate score is important.

[Fennario]

Everyone did, but if you have insane survivability, no DPS and lack the ability to grab aggro, you are a gimp (to put it bluntly).

Therefore, having a decent Intimidate score is important.

You actually can have a decent intimidate score on a pure human monk with a little work and some gear. Even with a starting charisma of 8.

15 item
9 ranks
6 shroud item
4 badger enhancements
4 dragonmark enhancements
4 gh
3 charisma (+6 item and +2 tome)
3 sf intimidate
2 dragonmark
2 luck
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52

2 walk of the sun finisher
------
54 self buffed for 1 minute a shot (should be high enough to be effective against everything except maybe the hound)

Sure its a little feat and enhancement extensive, but it can be done.

Feats would be something like this I suppose:

1 dragonmark
1 twf
1 toughness
2 weapon finesse
3 pa
6 dragonmark
6 ce
9 itwf
12 dragonmark
15 sf int
18 gtwf

Just throwing this out there. I don't play a build like this, but I'm sure it could be done.