Dwarf Pali/Fighter Tank

[Maxallu]

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Level 16 Lawful Good Dwarf Male
(2 Fighter \ 14 Paladin) 
Hit Points: 432
Spell Points: 145 
BAB: 16\16\21\26\26
Fortitude: 24
Reflex: 11
Will: 8

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 16)
Strength             14                    17
Dexterity            14                    16
Constitution         20                    27
Intelligence         12                    14
Wisdom                8                    10
Charisma              6                     9

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 1
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 1
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 1
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 1
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 1
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 1
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 12

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 16)
Balance               4.5                  11.5
Bluff                -1                    -1
Concentration         6                    15
Diplomacy            -1                    12
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle               -1                    -1
Heal                  0                     7
Hide                  3                     3
Intimidate            1                    14.5
Jump                  5                    10
Listen                0.5                   0.5
Move Silently         3                     3
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Repair                2                     2
Search                2                     4
Spot                  0                     0
Swim                  3                     5
Tumble                n/a                   n/a
Use Magic Device     n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Shield Mastery


Level 2 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Combat Expertise


Level 3 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Shield Bash


Level 4 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Dodge


Level 5 (Paladin)


Level 6 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 7 (Paladin)


Level 8 (Paladin)


Level 9 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Shield Mastery


Level 10 (Paladin)


Level 11 (Paladin)


Level 12 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Dwarven Armor Mastery I
Enhancement: Dwarven Armor Mastery II
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution I
Enhancement: Dwarven Shield Mastery I
Enhancement: Dwarven Shield Mastery II
Enhancement: Dwarven Shield Mastery III
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
Enhancement: Fighter Intimidate I
Enhancement: Fighter Jump I
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness II
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness III
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness IV


Level 13 (Paladin)


Level 14 (Paladin)


Level 15 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good III
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good III


Level 16 (Paladin)
Enhancement: Dwarven Armor Mastery III
Enhancement: Fighter Swim I

Obviously the goal here is high HP and AC. Would this be usefull at all?

[Gelandor]

I dont think this build will serve much purpose at all. You wont be able to hit anything, and your stats are all messed up.

Your STR is too low, your CON is way too high, and you CHA is too low.

Up your str to at least 16, and add your levels here, put your con to 16, then you will have around 26 at lvl 16, and start with at least a 14 CHA.

[Dexxaan]

It's bad that I say this but Dwarven Paladin-Fighter = Bruttus. See link below.

Proven S&B durability; Nice DPS, all the feats you'd want, and monster saves/AC and Hit points.


Just get ready to hear Raging barbarians in the PvP Pit scream in fustration (because they cannot hit you) and claim you've hacked DDO.

[Gelandor]

It's bad that I say this but Dwarven Paladin-Fighter = Bruttus. See link below.

Proven S&B durability; Nice DPS, all the feats you'd want, and monster saves/AC and Hit points.


Just get ready to hear Raging barbarians in the PvP Pit scream in fustration (because they cannot hit you) and claim you've hacked DDO.

Yep, I agree this build will be much more successfull.

[Bahamut2119]

Or take a look at Valam's build in my sig. Bruttus is def a good build but will be missing tier 3 of Defender of Siberys which gives more ac,saves, extra point of STR and Con and a very nice 20/Epic Dr clicky but my build misses out on a feat at current cap not really a big deal though.

[Dexxaan]

Actually if there was an outweighing benefit to the Dwarven 18/2 I would have rolled one the day after reviewing DOS PrE. Valam is a nice build and easy to come up with, but it simply doesn't make the most of Multi-Classing a DOS Paladin.

IMO and from the concept of the Build "Abilities, Functionality and Party Benefit" points of view I'll stay with the Bruttus Build. I'll explain in detail why and where I'm coming from once you see the Level 20 Build completed.

Since Bruttus' end build is 14 Paladin, 4 Fighter and 2 Rogue; the current L16 build will get:

Intimidate : 58
Hit Points: 508 Un-Stanced
UMD : 30
+1 DEX Enhancement 2 AP's.
+ 5 AC (2 from Max DEX 7 & 3 from DOS II) therefore Stanced DOS II - Beholder Unboosted Unbuffed AC would be 72 in DTFP; and as Needed can switch to (already made) DT Leather with a 66 AC (-6 net drop)


VALAM ---- BRUTTUS NOTES:

STR 34 ----- 34 -- (Both considering +3 Tomes)
DEX 22 ---- 22/24 -- (Both considering +3 Tomes and /24= at L20)
CON 25 ---- 26/28 -- (Both considering +3 Tomes and /28 = with Mineral II Khopesh)
INT 14 ---- 14
WIS 17 ---- 20 -- (Both considering +3 Tomes)
CHA 17/25 ---- 14/22 -- (Both considering +3 Tomes)



Comparison Recap:

A - Armor Class:
* Valam has an AC that is Greensteel dependent so -4 applies if you ever want to use a GreaterBane; Vorpal; Disruptor; Paralyzer; Cursespewer, etc...... Of course you could go without ChaosGarde Bracers and use the Leviks set at a -3 AC cost.

* Depending on DOS PrE you may or may not be able to get all the DEX benefits you jotted down because on Llamania I hav DOS II and y total MAX DEX from Defender shield was +1.... just fyi. Therefore your entire build will be capped at a 5 max DEX if this is the case at Mod 9 Launch.


In an Apples to Apples AC comparison Valam 71 / Bruttus 72 (66 in Evasion Armor)
(and yes I have a Min II +4 AC Khopesh and CGardes to swap if I ever want to)

B - Feats:

1 Extra Feat in Favor of Bruttus. (Extend is a must IMO and due to choice of Force of Personality the Will Save is also a consideration)

C - DPS:

Needless to say (and it has been beaten to death) that Khopeshes will out DPS a Dwarven Axe (Even Min II) and the fact that Improved Critical is being dumped, then the non GS weapon DPS is going to be severely hindered.


D - "Value" factor:

Unlike the previous comparisons, this one is a subjective one and I can identify the following differences (Values) in each one. Stat differences are almost non-existant and actually Favor Bruttus if you really want to fine-comb it.

Bruttus: More Hit Points; Same (or Higher) Saves; EVASION as needed; Higher DPS; same UMD and greater Aggro generation. (Cleave);

Valam: +6 Higher Intimidate; Higher Blocking DR; 1 additional and more effective LOH's.


I think this sums it up.... gotta run to a meeting...will check if I left anyhing out later.

[Bahamut2119]

I would def agree your build has its strong points. Mine is a decently self sufficient intmitank pure and simple. As far as the greensteel goes i don't ever switch it unless im tanking arry then i use a transmuting great axe soon to be a min2. On occasion I do use a vorpal but that is rare. Most of my friends run high dps toons and as a result most trash mobs die really quick from nothing but dps. I built my pally for intimidating and shield blocking so if the op wants something more along those lines i would highly recommend Valams build otherwise Bruttus is a very nice build for a part time intmitank (only say part time since i assume you don't shield block as much as i do).

[Dexxaan]

...snip... otherwise Bruttus is a very nice build for a part time intmitank (only say part time since i assume you don't shield block as much as i do).

I rarely shield block; do it only when the Party requires it as I usually intimidate to gather Mobs around me and Cleave, DS and ES 'em.

The High DPS'rs have to come to me for any action they are after. (Of course those fast and annoying Barbarians beat me when their Healing-Umbilical-Cord is attached.)

I'm assuming you enjoy your coffee while you hit the "block" key.