Sad day for our sever...

[Draccus]

I see this once a day. The few folks on the server who know me know that I have quite a passion for rogues. I play my rogue 90% of the time but also capped a cleric to help pay back those folks who let me run with their groups and need a cleric for the next run.

I completely avoid groups that have rogues excluded as DPS even if my rogue is on timer. I don't send the group leaders tells nor do I make a big deal about it; I just ignore it. However, if the group leader sends ME a tell asking to join because they need a healer, I simply reply "I don't heal groups that exclude rogues. Thanks for offering though."

FWIW, the only Shroud I've ever run that killed Arraetrikos in one round (BEFORE the blades got to the melees, in fact) had three rogues in it.

[Thrudh]

I see this once a day. The few folks on the server who know me know that I have quite a passion for rogues. I play my rogue 90% of the time but also capped a cleric to help pay back those folks who let me run with their groups and need a cleric for the next run.

I completely avoid groups that have rogues excluded as DPS even if my rogue is on timer. I don't send the group leaders tells nor do I make a big deal about it; I just ignore it. However, if the group leader sends ME a tell asking to join because they need a healer, I simply reply "I don't heal groups that exclude rogues. Thanks for offering though."

FWIW, the only Shroud I've ever run that killed Arraetrikos in one round (BEFORE the blades got to the melees, in fact) had three rogues in it.

Yep, rogues do the best DPS in the game... situationally....

But the absolute perfect situation is Part 4 and 5 of the Shroud where you have ONE target who can only aggro ONE member of a party of 12... That means sneak attack is going off 90%...

I'd love to see how fast 9 rogues could take him down, with 8 of them always getting sneak attack damage.

[Comfortably]

I see this once a day. The few folks on the server who know me know that I have quite a passion for rogues. I play my rogue 90% of the time but also capped a cleric to help pay back those folks who let me run with their groups and need a cleric for the next run.

I completely avoid groups that have rogues excluded as DPS even if my rogue is on timer. I don't send the group leaders tells nor do I make a big deal about it; I just ignore it. However, if the group leader sends ME a tell asking to join because they need a healer, I simply reply "I don't heal groups that exclude rogues. Thanks for offering though."

FWIW, the only Shroud I've ever run that killed Arraetrikos in one round (BEFORE the blades got to the melees, in fact) had three rogues in it.

I agree, having healed Dresek on more than 1 occasion I can say that most rogues with a raid rapier and full sneak attacks, can do some nasty, nasty dmg.

Just the reason I posted this was not because I wanted anything, but just to bring attention to the fact that some people need to learn how to pug, lol.

After asking to join said group and getting no responce I formed my own group. (Which btw filled faster and completed before this other group filled)

[jmonty]

two thing i hate in ddo.. people who judge players by their class choice and monks.







funny. we used to see groups with all melee classes except ranger. =/

[Blazer]

funny. we used to see groups with all melee classes except ranger. =/

Still do on occasion, at least over here on Khyber. Saw two different LFMs for SOS over this past weekend where the leaders wanted "heavy melee DPS" and had fighters, paladins, and barbarians as the only choices. One group was a sorc, a cleric, and three barbs.

[shotgunshowhome403]

I'm on Vista.. unfortunately, and it's not letting me even finish updates to play... Any suggestions?

[Big_Russ]

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=181579

[Rindalathar]

Yep, rogues do the best DPS in the game... situationally....

But the absolute perfect situation is Part 4 and 5 of the Shroud where you have ONE target who can only aggro ONE member of a party of 12... That means sneak attack is going off 90%...

I'd love to see how fast 9 rogues could take him down, with 8 of them always getting sneak attack damage.

You should have seen our all rogue run a few months back. Part 4 = Butta.

[Comfortably]

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=181579

Ahhhh Bog_Russ, what is your point in linking my speed shroud thread to this one? Are you talking about where I state: "Looking for tanks with very high DPS, that have the right gear and weps." ? Don't think thats discriminating agains't anyone, class, race etc...Thanks for being that guy Scmitty...

[Accelerando]

Yep, rogues do the best DPS in the game... situationally....

But the absolute perfect situation is Part 4 and 5 of the Shroud where you have ONE target who can only aggro ONE member of a party of 12... That means sneak attack is going off 90%...

I'd love to see how fast 9 rogues could take him down, with 8 of them always getting sneak attack damage.

As much as I love rogues, (and all 4 of mine), Harry does have 50% fort on normal. So no, SA is not going off 90% of the time. Rangers do way more damage in part 4 and 5, but also require way more healing due to play style.

[Comfortably]

Rangers do way more damage in part 4 and 5, but also require way more healing due to play style.

Compaired to my barbarian?

[ShrewMage]

Fact is, any melee that's built right and has decent weapons can be a high dps type toon. But it seems a lot of people now days want to tell everyone else how to play thier toons and pass judgement before even giving someone a chance. The problem with that is pretty much everyone who has been around a while has multiple capped toons. So by denying one persons build because of discriminating feelings toward that build, may in turn be denying yourself of them later joining your party as a healer, bard or other character your specifically looking for. Not that there are a lack of players throughout the servers, and just because one person won't join isn't going to make or break anyone. But ultimately it could mean a difference of filling your raid LFM in a matter of 3 minutes opposed to 30.

Moral of the story: Discrimination and judgement begats more discrimination and judgment, mainly upon yourself.

[GATORZ]

i joined the other group on my ranger instead of barbarian and found it quite amusing ( allthough i was a little miffed at the time but still amused) that you took group A looking for the ranger who had filled to 11 and was about to enter w/ 11 and 1 cleric and stole the cleric and 3 others to GroupB ( assuming thats why the chat w/ the tells is blocked) and actually entered b4 us. a little bit of sweet justice for all the times my fighter rogue cant get into a shroud looking for dps....kudos...but give a little credit u didnt complete b4 we filled unless u did it in 10 mins

[Gzusman]

Compaired to my barbarian?

My Cleric Solo'd part four (the 2 levels or wiz made all the difference.)

[Big_Russ]

Ahhhh Bog_Russ, what is your point in linking my speed shroud thread to this one? Are you talking about where I state: "Looking for tanks with very high DPS, that have the right gear and weps." ? Don't think thats discriminating agains't anyone, class, race etc...Thanks for being that guy Scmitty...

The point being that a person can build a party how he chooses.

Thanks for being that troll, Comfy.

[Comfortably]

The point being that a person can build a party how he chooses.

Thanks for being that troll, Comfy.

I'm glad I could be that troll just for you, bud.

[Thriand]

When people judge you by class for shroud DPS...

I just want to point out that you are a complete noob because you don't have power attack turned on.

[Venar]

I was in your run (second caster at the bottom).
The shroud war was annoying, specially when people started dropping to switch raids.
Run was really smooth.

I know when i form a pug, i select 2 clerics, 1 full bard, 1 caster, 1 caster-or-cleric-or-melee, and the rest melee. Any melee. Could be 7 monks for all i care.

Really. What is the WORST that can happen? 3 rounds. Oh no, 3!!! run!!
Seriously. When the mod was launched, 4 rounders was the average, and nobody cried. As long as you complete, what is wrong with a third round, specially if you formed under 5 minutes because you didnt restrict class? I'd rather leave NOW with 2 paladins and 3 monks then wait 30 minutes for a ranger.

Just tonight, my pug had 2 paladins and 2 rogues, one of which was kinda useless, and yes, we 3 rounded it, and guess what? We still completed under an hour. Was it a 30 minute run? Nope. Did it take under 10 minutes to build? Yes. It evens out.


Only class i shun out are mc-bards with less the 14 bard levels. Useless junk.

[MAP1974]

sad news comf.

i will look forward to seeing you in 6 months time when mod 9 is released (there is a mod 9, isn't there?).

[Noctus]

Comf, there are always dumb lfms going up by some moran who doesnt know jack. ( I hear there are people that actually fail shrouds 0.o)

That was clearly a LFM you didnt want to be a part of imo.

That sums it up nicely.