Alliance!!!

[Mr_Ed7]

Is anyone else besides me getting the impression he could sink in dried concrete? Just want to make sure it isn't just me here.

More of your diplomacy? Are'nt you the Persian at the start of the movie 300?

[Donnie]

Oh fun game! I got one, aren't you Michael Scott from "The Office"?

I know its a longshot, but perhaps since making that alliance post 8 months ago the members of EDTL realised that it wasnt what they thought it would be. Chances are, they didnt expect you to turn the alliance channel into LFM pt 2.

You know what would have been really diplomatic? Consulting with other alliance members before accepting additional guilds into the alliance. Also choosing allies with the same recruitment standards, and being upfront about your recruitment methods before accepting allies, would have gone a long way in showing respect for your allies. Maybe you should also have a little more respect for reqests to leave the alliance...although its painfully obvious that you only want to see things one way: your way.

FYI the leader of EBTL told me that they were also done with "The Alliance". I could post the pm here, or hey, you could just pm her yourself instead (crazy idea, I know.)

Of course, some direct communication between you and other alliance members/leaders wouldnt be as entertaining as this thread for non-alliance members, so maybe just keep on keeping on lol.

[Mr_Ed7]

Sorry Donnie you feel the way you do.

You had left me no choice but to feel-out or guess what the real issues were with you.
Now months later you tell me it was beacuse I took a guild in thatyoudid not approve of. Sorry if you were not consoled on such. Rather than talk to me about any percieved issue you took your ball and went home saying "its not working out" or something.

As far as EDTL, I was sure Squelch was truthful in the fact that EDTL did not WANT to be involved yet they were in the past. Again it could have been helpful to explain what it was that EDTL did not like about the Alliance, but I was not privy to this information.

It is unfortunate that what was supposed to be in fun, and a way to get to know others is somehow being drama-fied. Again, don't use the channel if you feel so inclined.

Perhaps your expectations were too high as to what exactly the Alliance does...perhaps that was just it ..It did nothing for you.

The Alliance is what you make of it. If you use it, you would find that you would have made closer friends with people in other guilds.

It is unfortuante that some individuals were unhappy that the Alliance was not doing anything for them, or that the Alliance accepted another guild that they did not like. Alliance was always about welcoming others and not elitist expectation.

Perhaps I made poor choices in extending a hand of fraternity out to certain guilds.
I will take the blame for not explaining that the Alliance was meant to be drama-free.

The Alliance is still effective. It was originally made for small guilds to feel the fun and camraderie of a larger guild. That is all. It accomplishes that.

Feel free to attempt to turn it into something else.

The Alliance is only as successful as the member-guilds are inconcierto with one another.

[Donnie]

Sorry Donnie you feel the way you do.

You had left me no choice but to feel-out or guess what the real issues were with you.
Now months later you tell me it was beacuse I took a guild in thatyoudid not approve of. Sorry if you were not consoled on such. Rather than talk to me about any percieved issue you took your ball and went home saying "its not working out" or something.

It has nothing to do with any specifc guild. It has everything to do with you refusing to recognize that inviting anybody and everybody into the alliance, with zero standards, and without any dialog between you and other alliance members, is not the proper way to to run an alliance. You will find that many people remove themselves from the channel as soon as they realize this. An alliance goes both ways, its a team effort...however in this instance it is YOU doing whatever you want, and everyone else is just supposed to play nice without any control over anything. Its more like a deal with the devil, you provide the option to opt in, but after that their soul belongs to you *evil laugh*

Its no mystery man, people have said this time and time again but you just write it off as drama. The thing is, there isnt any drama, it is what it is. As far as my guild goes, our involvement with the alliance is long forgotten about and nobody cares, but its still a tad painful to see someone be so incredibly dense about this. Btw im not the type of guy who slows down to check out an accident, I get out and help.

Part of being a leader is accepting criticism, and making changes when needed. Perhaps its time to learn by whats happened, instead of arguing with people who wish to leave...which is extrememly poor form. Especially when it involves the guild that you originally started the alliance with. Doesnt that tell you something?

Either way, no worries, I wont be back to derail this thread any further. The only reason I interject is becasue we originally entered the alliance because of EDTL. Take care and good luck.

[SquelchHU]

Oh fun game! I got one, aren't you Michael Scott from "The Office"?

I know its a longshot, but perhaps since making that alliance post 8 months ago the members of EDTL realised that it wasnt what they thought it would be. Chances are, they didnt expect you to turn the alliance channel into LFM pt 2.

You know what would have been really diplomatic? Consulting with other alliance members before accepting additional guilds into the alliance. Also choosing allies with the same recruitment standards, and being upfront about your recruitment methods before accepting allies, would have gone a long way in showing respect for your allies. Maybe you should also have a little more respect for reqests to leave the alliance...although its painfully obvious that you only want to see things one way: your way.

FYI the leader of EBTL told me that they were also done with "The Alliance". I could post the pm here, or hey, you could just pm her yourself instead (crazy idea, I know.)

Of course, some direct communication between you and other alliance members/leaders wouldnt be as entertaining as this thread for non-alliance members, so maybe just keep on keeping on lol.

Well I don't know what the official reason is for wanting to leave, only that my guild leader made that decision 8 months ago, which was before I joined the guild, or even started playing DDO.

I know that my reasons are exactly the ones I have told you a while ago and tried to talk to you about, namely that a guild or alliance that accepts just anyone is non functional because the constituent members have nothing in common. And even if you do not care at all about player skill guilds still need to have something in common, else what is the point? Because of this that entire project has a negative reputation, and anyone involved, even unwittingly is being caught in the crossfire. Donnie has it exactly right.

It's not about some guild involved being bad, it's about not being able to see eye to eye when just anyone is pulled in. It would be like a family friendly guild pulling me in (anyone who has ever ran with me knows why this is a bad idea). Nothing in common.

Now you call this drama, I call it constructive criticism.

[Aranticus]

thanks for the entertaining read

[Mr_Ed7]

Again apologies that the Alliance did not work out for you.

I tried to make the Alliance inclusive to many.
I think you thought you were joining a country club, when I was offering a public course.

It is still an effective tool, especially on the weekends and many other guilds have appreciated its design.

Again if sentiments were made clearer to me early on, things could perhaps have been different, rather some decided to not use the channel and not explain why.
To hear about such contempt now after the fact is disheartening.

See you around town.

[Noctus]

Because of this that entire project has a negative reputation, and anyone involved, even unwittingly is being caught in the crossfire.

Yeah.
I honestly feel sorry for the new players who dont know what they are joining when they enter a "certain guild", and then get caught in the crossfire. And those Ex-Members who still get associated with it.




But i also have to confess that i am happy that Mr. Ed is doing what he does. "The Alliance"-Project you can never leave, as well as his own guild, made building good raid groups much easier.

So Thanks to Mr. Ed!

[transtemporal]

...its still a tad painful to see someone be so incredibly dense about this.

*cough*5/1philosophy*cough*

[Donnie]

Lol I dont know what got into me yesterday to make me think that any level of dialog could help this guy "get it".

Severe work boredom can sure lead to some pointless rants.

[Mr_Ed7]

Perhaps some things are better left discussing in person.

I would love to have some dialog in-game. It is unfortunate that the disparaging comments can not be left out of posted replies.

I am available most evenings EST to continue the dialog if one would like to discuss anything. I do not expect Squelch to be available however.

The Alliance was meant to be an all-welcoming organization, not an elitist council as you wish it to be gentlemen.

Hold your predjudices, making sweeping generalizations and continue to veil criticism as advice...if thats how you enjoy playing the game.

I enjoy playing the game by making friends and Alliances, and hold predjudice against no one.

[Aranticus]

Yeah.
I honestly feel sorry for the new players who dont know what they are joining when they enter a "certain guild", and then get caught in the crossfire. And those Ex-Members who still get associated with it.




But i also have to confess that i am happy that Mr. Ed is doing what he does. "The Alliance"-Project you can never leave, as well as his own guild, made building good raid groups much easier.

So Thanks to Mr. Ed!

lol

*cough*5/1philosophy*cough*

doorstop?

[Mr_Ed7]

I think the antagonism is funny.


Use your hate.

[AlphandOmega]

Oh fun game! I got one, aren't you Michael Scott from "The Office"?

I know its a longshot, but perhaps since making that alliance post 8 months ago the members of EDTL realised that it wasnt what they thought it would be. Chances are, they didnt expect you to turn the alliance channel into LFM pt 2.

You know what would have been really diplomatic? Consulting with other alliance members before accepting additional guilds into the alliance. Also choosing allies with the same recruitment standards, and being upfront about your recruitment methods before accepting allies, would have gone a long way in showing respect for your allies. Maybe you should also have a little more respect for reqests to leave the alliance...although its painfully obvious that you only want to see things one way: your way.

FYI the leader of EBTL told me that they were also done with "The Alliance". I could post the pm here, or hey, you could just pm her yourself instead (crazy idea, I know.)

Of course, some direct communication between you and other alliance members/leaders wouldnt be as entertaining as this thread for non-alliance members, so maybe just keep on keeping on lol.

My turn! Are you the printer from Office Space?

[Schwarzie]

Yeah.
But i also have to confess that i am happy that Mr. Ed is doing what he does. "The Alliance"-Project you can never leave, as well as his own guild, made building good raid groups much easier.

So Thanks to Mr. Ed!

Full Ack!

Proof was yesterday evenings Shroud Raid. Announced with "Shroud. No $insertguildname, No §inserguildname, No anonymous".

Worked like a charm and gave me and parts of the raid some hearty laughs about the tells i got from members of $inserguildname.

So i personally wanted to Thank you for your alliance.

[thornwold]

I love this alliance! What a great way to find like-minded players when forming a gorup or raid. Thanks for making this happen, it makes LFG so much better!

[Polunius]

Full Ack!

Proof was yesterday evenings Shroud Raid. Announced with "Shroud. No $insertguildname, No §inserguildname, No anonymous".

Worked like a charm and gave me and parts of the raid some hearty laughs about the tells i got from members of $inserguildname.

So i personally wanted to Thank you for your alliance.

You know people who want to exclude based on guild affiliation are not worth running with in the first place. I have run on some groups with some real jack offs from some of the "acclaimed" guilds (in their minds), and you know what they have some pretty horrible players also or some real jack offs. Those are not the people I choose to run with. Reinforcing the behavior or accepting it is part of the problem.

Most people (99%) are pretty tolerant of others. Its the ones (forum trolls and elitests 1%) who sit in mommies basement all day slurping MT Dew and Ho Ho's that tend to be the worst. Bottom line if you don't like the Alliance don't participate.

[Mistral]

You know people who want to exclude based on guild affiliation are not worth running with in the first place. I have run on some groups with some real jack offs from some of the "acclaimed" guilds (in their minds), and you know what they have some pretty horrible players also or some real jack offs. Those are not the people I choose to run with. Reinforcing the behavior or accepting it is part of the problem.

Most people (99%) are pretty tolerant of others. Its the ones (forum trolls and elitests 1%) who sit in mommies basement all day slurping MT Dew and Ho Ho's that tend to be the worst. Bottom line if you don't like the Alliance don't participate.

Well said!!!! If you don't like the Alliance don't use it. it's your loss not ours.

[totmacher]

/joinchannel alliance
/4 you rebel scum
/leavechannel alliance

[WolfSpirit]

We on Sarlona (Many of us that is) have created an alliance of reincarnates so to speak. It enables people with them to party together to avoid... Unpleasent experiences while trying to Zerg Xp for the grind!
An alliance of guilds (myself for adult players only) is a great Idea that I've been exploring on Sarlona for a long time but still haven't created a channel for that purpose yet...