Vod

[Niclos]

I have a pair on my bard and very rarely use them( I traded for these by exchanging the goggles , not even the the casters in the group wanted them, in fact the guild still made me roll being the only one) . If the arcane bracers came up for roll, id take them too. I do run out of sp on my bard, alot(1070 Sp Warchanter). Mass cures, haste, rage , displace, gh, fom,mind fog,glitter dust , dance orb and my favorite ottos irresistable. Everyone needs to look at the overall reward in this raid based upon classes, and a couple of other raids fall into this category as well. I have the bards cloak what else do i possibly need, but everyone wants a bard for this quest? I would benefit greatly from the googgles since my melee attacks dont draw agro, true seeing undispellable, but i can cast ts scrolls or use greater dispell if need be. The armor ,, can clerics roll on this? I wouldn't on my bard, but what else can a cleric roll on ?

[Thrudh]

I kinda see what your getting at... But I almost never see a bard run out of spell points... I have a level 9 bard right now... maybe I will share the same point of view when I level... but probaly not.

My healing-specced spell-singer bard also has maximize, and does a lot of healing in raids (and does run out of SP).

I wouldn't roll against a caster for those gloves, but if they dropped for me, I'd take them.

[Monkey_Archer]

Just like any other raid loot, there is usually 1 or 2 classes that benefit the most, a couple that could use it, and the rest have no use for it.
I personally, always offer this type of loot to the classes that need them most, first... and would usually ignore others if they try to roll against the more prefered classes.

Obviously wizards and sorcs need this more then any other class, while some bards and cleric could use this as well.
Lorriks Champion has DR 15... any S&B could use this.... but obviously clerics need it more.

Your loot is your loot. Courtesy is courtesy. Greed is Greed.

[gfunk]

Over the last couple of months a paladin beat out my sorcerer for the Ring of Thelis (they wanted it for the sr 22 apparently) and my Sorc lost out twice on rolls to melee types for the glacial bracers in VoD. I guess the simple fact that I remember that means it bugs me somewhat.. but overall its not a big deal.

Imagine if the palidan/ melees had run those quest 40 times already for the bracers/ring? What other reason could they possibly have to be in there?

I'm also presuming that the bard in your run already had the bard cloak (as something like 2 of them drop in every raid), so besides the glacial bracers and gloves there really isn't any reason for them to want to go on the raid.

I was recently in a Titan Pug where a guildy (cleric) had the gloves drop. The party put up such a stink about him wanting to loot them that he just passed them off for roll. Part of the point was: he had built his cleric with UMD, but the main point to me was : why would he possibly be doing a Titan Pug as a cleric unless it was to loot some of the decent items? Ring, belt or gloves are the only reason to go in there... and not just for melee types. If I ever drag my cleric into a Titan raid, darn rights I'll loot those items (unless I'm there specifically just to help out friends/guildies).

The loriks shield dropped in Hound the other day for my rogue and I was tempted to take it.. I have a +5 mith shield in my backpack for rare occassions, and loriks would be a nice replacement. For me though, I run these things enough that I'm sure to get it another time, so I passed it up for the clerics to roll on.

On a side note, that shield would be a very nice one for any part-time sword and boarder as its only a large shield but still has the massive DR, so I can see a melee wanting it. In fact, I have one on both my ranger and my cleric and I think I use it almost as much on my ranger (typically for blocking lieutenants in shroud once they are prepped). My cleric hardly uses it because its better to have a wisdom item in my offhand (and I suspect the same is true for most clerics).

Anyways, sorry about your bad luck but remember that the other classes need to have a reason to be on those raids too.

[Quikster]

A couple principles come to mind here.

YLYC being the first. If i dropped in their name, I dont understand *** the problem is? They coulda looted the chattering ring if thats the case.

Second...

Guild runs for loot, pug for completions......been that way for a long time now..

And not to call you out, but I will, arent the police being at your house for your gangsta stepson a little more problematic then some stupid digital gloves? I have run with ya, and I like ya, but man maybe this anger is a little misplaced?

Anywho, not meaning to step on your toes or anything, I wish nothing but the best for you and yours, and hopefully it all gets worked out soon on the home front......

[Original]

A couple principles come to mind here.

YLYC being the first. If i dropped in their name, I dont understand *** the problem is? They coulda looted the chattering ring if thats the case.

Second...

Guild runs for loot, pug for completions......been that way for a long time now..

And not to call you out, but I will, arent the police being at your house for your gangsta stepson a little more problematic then some stupid digital gloves? I have run with ya, and I like ya, but man maybe this anger is a little misplaced?

Anywho, not meaning to step on your toes or anything, I wish nothing but the best for you and yours, and hopefully it all gets worked out soon on the home front......

I agree, my homefront is a nightmare and way worse the the digital gloves... but it has gotten to the point that the only fun I have is when I am at work or playing DDO. So looking back I have over reacted... I would like to say that whenever raid loot drops in the chest I will take it... but that's not me... If I feel there is a class that needs it more than me I will put it up for roll(guildly or not). Just wish other people thought that way.

[Quikster]

I agree, my homefront is a nightmare and way worse the the digital gloves... but it has gotten to the point that the only fun I have is when I am at work or playing DDO. So looking back I have over reacted... I would like to say that whenever raid loot drops in the chest I will take it... but that's not me... If I feel there is a class that needs it more than me I will put it up for roll(guildly or not). Just wish other people thought that way.

Many of us do bro, many of us do. Problem is you cant always fill a raid up with those peeps.

GL on things at home, and FWIW you will prolly get those gloves soon, if not, better to only have the bracers, the gloves arent that great by themselves but the bracers are!

[Lifespawn]

come run with me the stupid gloves drop all the time but sofar 34 runs no bracers and not in the 20th

look for a vod party with quithittin my intimisorc build it's fun to watch

[Quikster]

come run with me the stupid gloves drop all the time but sofar 34 runs no bracers and not in the 20th

look for a vod party with quithittin my intimisorc build it's fun to watch

Man thats just pathetic! 34 runs and NO bracers??? WOW!

[Phidius]

A couple principles come to mind here.

YLYC being the first. If i dropped in their name, I dont understand *** the problem is? They coulda looted the chattering ring if thats the case.

Second...

Guild runs for loot, pug for completions......been that way for a long time now..

And not to call you out, but I will, arent the police being at your house for your gangsta stepson a little more problematic then some stupid digital gloves? I have run with ya, and I like ya, but man maybe this anger is a little misplaced?

Anywho, not meaning to step on your toes or anything, I wish nothing but the best for you and yours, and hopefully it all gets worked out soon on the home front......

I've been putting YLYC into my Titan LFMs - usually have to explain what it means 3-4 times per run before people join. Sometimes the person who asks never joins, which is fine by me. For all I know, they were on timer or haven't gotten flagged, or have no interest in the Titan... I like to pretend I just avoided an unpleasant loot experience.

come run with me the stupid gloves drop all the time but sofar 34 runs no bracers and not in the 20th

look for a vod party with quithittin my intimisorc build it's fun to watch

Yeah it is - ran one with you a while back. We had the sorc intimidating the orthons, and the bard holding Sally... good times indeed. Can't remember the bard's name atm, though... Heichgam maybe??

One of the smoothest VoD's I've been on - we were lamenting that we only ran it on Normal instead of Hard or Elite

[Lifespawn]

Man thats just pathetic! 34 runs and NO bracers??? WOW!

ya i have extremely bad luck for some reason my other sorc has 187 reaver runs and never seen a +3 tome of any kind...i stopped playing that one.

[Cedrica-the-Bard]

NON EVASION BOWBARIAN!!!!! and its not a clickie its a 10% proc chance every time you get hit...

Which toon was that again? Sergawd maybe? I can't keep them all straight...

[FluffyCalico]

Would a fighter/ac build rolling on the Tower Shield from hound/vod(cnat remember), be in bad taste. it would pull me to 70+ ac + the DR.

Thoughts....

The fighter shield sure its part of the tank set. The cleric shield, I would not advise it as clerics seem to get ****y if the item they need for superior devotion 8 goes to a fighter. They both come from hound.

[Pallol_One-Eye]

ya i have extremely bad luck for some reason my other sorc has 187 reaver runs and never seen a +3 tome of any kind...i stopped playing that one.

Come run with Tetrol bud, 3 +3 tomes in his last 14 runs. Could not use any of them mind you, but had 3 under my name in the warded chest at least. Maybe my luck can rub off on you.

Tell you what, I'll pull +3 tomes in the Reaver for you if you pull Shards of Power in the Shroud for me.....deal?

[Quikster]

Come run with Tetrol bud, 3 +3 tomes in his last 14 runs. Could not use any of them mind you, but had 3 under my name in the warded chest at least. Maybe my luck can rub off on you.

Tell you what, I'll pull +3 tomes in the Reaver for you if you pull Shards of Power in the Shroud for me.....deal?

Ill take that deal, need a dex for a lowb i just rolled..........course need to get him flagged first. lvl 2-5 madstone anyone??

[itslex1]

The fighter shield sure its part of the tank set. The cleric shield, I would not advise it as clerics seem to get ****y if the item they need for superior devotion 8 goes to a fighter. They both come from hound.

If only it were Superior Devotion. My cleric that has it uses it for the blocking DR only.... when my second cleric pulls it I'll do the same. Looked cool when it came out, though.

[Caden_the_Dictator]

i dont play a a ranger. I play 2 clerics. A ranger can use wisdom 6, wizardry 6, and the empowered healing feat as well as i can. the odds of them using the synergy from having both necklace, shield, and maybe dt armor is very slim.

So a cleric might be able to use necklace better than a ranger. might. i respect a ranger that recognizes the usefulness of said necklace.

[Jastron]

Caden is right. My ranger, Luvon, has all the SP and healing enhancements, and carries cure serious wounds all the time, which makes him very self sufficient. Although he is not seeking out that necklace, he could benefit from it.