Dwarven Axe VS Khopesh VS Bastard Sword

[Emili]

It really comes down to is what the players thinks is the best weapon. Dwarfs like the axes and most others like the khopeshs. I myself like the scimitars for the crit. range. We all play the game the way we want to.

I like scimitars a lot... I like Bastard swords too on certain builds. All my melee girls are Khopesh or rapier melee though... even my ranged spec ranger has IC: Pierce...

In my bank is a +2 keen flametouch scimitar - call me silly but has sentimental value.

Oh, way back when ... Emili was originally built as a tank, I itred of that position and rerolled her a month after release to dps, at that time Khopeshes were very few and being human Bastard Swords were pretty much same as a D axe, thus that's what I used... coming up the levels even those were rare to find... I had like two with any alignment or element on them and was still feeling sluggish at level 6. A friend of mine (no longer with us) gave me that +2 keen flametouch scimitar I went into SC with it and the feel of her was totally different - from that point onto level (when I could add IC:slash) Emili felt like a killer... Over the years she's been rerolled two more times last one was as a 32 point Khopesh user but it was that scimitar which opened my eyes ... it showed that the weapons a character uses plays with a lot of the feel of the character... Among my melee girls I still carry no less then 30 weapons on each of them, even though they're all sporting Greensteel also... last I counted on characters and in banks I have 214 Khopeshes on hand and 93 rapiers.... and still one +2 keen flametouch scimitar.

[Beerina]

remember what they say about the forums:

"You'll never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious"..

The board fun continues:

"My friend here says he doesn't like you."


"I'm sorry."


"(gets in his face) I don't like you either!"

[Iakona]

That's cool, but this math has been done about 60 times on the forums and is readily available if you use the search feature, picked over and critiqued to the point where nothing's left out.


The initial responses to your post weren't even particularly hostile, and your response was needlessly defensive. However, it needed to be corrected because it advanced an inaccurate and misleading conclusion (that bastard swords were better than khopeshes) that causes needless problems later when some poor newbie reads your thread, believes it and shows up in the shroud with two ****** bastard swords and won't listen to anyone suggesting they get a real weapon.

You'd do a lot of service by updating your initial post with the correct findings, strength/pa numbers, etc to display the assorted points at which khopesh is not the best weapon in the game (all 5% of them).

Just more BS from someone that was (yes WAS) insulting. The guy erred. Folks were just plain rude, and they were offering NO positive support for their claims other than an "I think so".

And while YOU may consider bastard swords inadequate for anything YOU do, they are:

-far more available in the brokers at lower levels making them far cheaper to level with (making them much the
better choice for a new player on a limited budget)
-easily SWAPPED for Kopesh when you get shroud-ready with the free feat
-not actually all THAT different in damage at lower levels when you are getting geared up (you folks ASSUME way
too much)

You start off offering a HUGE post full of data to correct the error, and that's helpful. But then you post after that and say basically that you made a mistake once and got flamed, so since you were treated badly once it justifies others getting treated badly as well. Very mature attitude you have there. Maturity should have taught you otherwise. Didn't even try to take a bad experience and learn something useful from it, did you? Well take another flame and try to learn from it.

[Iakona]

The only thing that I'm sorry about is that the OP has such a fragile ego. Critique sucks, but he decided to post without verifying his math. Then he decided to act like a drama queen the moment he perceived a threat to his conclusion. (You notice I never insulted him but he decided to go on his little whine fest anyway.)

read my previous post. applies to you as well

[A_Sheep]

-far more available in the brokers at lower levels making them far cheaper to level with (making them much the
better choice for a new player on a limited budget)
-easily SWAPPED for Kopesh when you get shroud-ready with the free feat
-not actually all THAT different in damage at lower levels when you are getting geared up (you folks ASSUME way too much)

-This is where I disagree with the advice that you and others are offering concerning BS's being cheaper: a 'crappy' Khopesh is still better than a good bastard sword in most cases.

-A new player likely needs his feat respec for something else.

-I guess you're sorta right on this one, but a new player is probably better off taking other feats at these low levels.

[Asketes]

either way:

I ended up using B.swords until I made Demiknight's green steel khopesh

Had her Min II's for about a month or so. Just finished her Lightning II's.

Sweet stuff guys!

It's funny, you HAVE to take into account the random Lightning strike, othewise I would have kept the Min II because the extra slicing (d4) damage and the free feat. I had to take imp. crit again for my Lightning Strike khopeshes



Good times!

[Vanshilar]

Eh you can also check out this thread:

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=224786

In there I put graphs of the relative damage of different types of weapons, depending on how many +damage modifiers you have, although the graphs include fighter kensai 3 (which increases the crit range) and I did not include burst etc. effects. I can easily include bastard sword or non-kensai 3 etc., those are just simple number changes in the Excel spreadsheets, if you want. (Burst effects etc. are still more of a pain to include because of different assumptions about which ones people will pick, but I am working on those).

I think an initial problem that anyone trying to crunch these numbers will often encounter is that the game mechanics are not readily transparent. It is easy to forget that your strength modifier etc. affects your damage, especially when the way the game displays the "base damage rating" on weapons. On the other hand, if you are coming up with a conclusion like "use bastard sword for trash" when a cursory search of weapons comparisons shows that the general consensus is the khopesh for low-fort and dwarven axe for high-fort, you're just asking for trouble. It would be wise to read through the threads and see how people came up with their conclusions rather than just thinking that you've had some late-night breakthrough that no one else has had. On the other hand, it's a good thing that you made your calculations transparent; it's easier for people to check ("peer review") your calculations that way and verify them, rather than just stating numbers that people have to take on faith, so kudos for that.

[Havenor]

I am sure that this has been addressed by somebody, somewhere, but as this is a relatively long thread with a lot of data flying around, i didn't actually see it. But my question is; does this particular set of equations look off to anyone but me?

Each swing does the median damage allowable by the weapon
Khopesh median damage: (1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+10)/10 = 5.5
Dwarven Axe median damage: (1+2+3+4+8+6+7+8)/8=4.5 x 2 = 9
Bastard Sword median damage: (1+2+3+4+8+6+7+8)/8=4.5 x 2 = 9

If this has been noted already, feel free to ignore this.

[CrimsonEagle]

Necro thread?

[Sweetsoul86]

PS: I do feel the OP does deserve some sort of apology for people correcting him the way they did... While we do understand (and as does he now) that he was initially incorrect... lack of knowledge of all facts of DnD or DDO in any case does not reflect nor bare any warrant on ones true intellect. One may correct instructively, constructively or destructively the later of which 't is not bloody nice.

Emi, this right here is why I like you so much.

Asketes *hugs* overall cool thread, I know jack all about damage seeing as I've only just made my first fighter ever a few weeks ago and she's a kensai dual kopesh wielder thanks to the help and advice of my better half (yazool, durrgin, xarissa). It was nice to do a bit of learning about the different options for her though.

[Asketes]

Heh

This thread is AGES old

I laughed when I saw it had gotten dredged up from the graveyard.


I am soo not the noob wanna be bastid anymore

i've learned!

[ArchStriker]

Lol posts 2-7, that's what I feel like when I'm asking for a type of build, I just get a bunch of common knowledge bleeep. And the worst part is they don't even try to help me.

[kernal42]

Really? Necro'd again?

[Eladiun]

Heh

This thread is AGES old

I laughed when I saw it had gotten dredged up from the graveyard.


I am soo not the noob wanna be bastid anymore

i've learned!

The above is totally untrue. He is still a total noob bastid.

[ArchStriker]

Really? Necro'd again?

Can you stop giving me continous negative rep kernal, I just search something up on google and I look at it and comment, I don't friggin care if I'm necroing or whatever necro'd is, this is about the thread, do you say everything you think?

[kernal42]

Can you stop giving me continous negative rep kernal

Considering I don't have enough rep to dole out neg rep, I can only conclude that someone else is displeased by your need to necro threads without anything relevant to add to the discussion.

-Kernal

[Asketes]

The above is totally untrue. He is still a total noob bastid.

just wait until we have sooo much plat... errr DPS that everything gets heavy fort.. then we'll see D.Axes live again!


muahahahaha

[ArchStriker]

Considering I don't have enough rep to dole out neg rep, I can only conclude that someone else is displeased by your need to necro threads without anything relevant to add to the discussion.

-Kernal

Thread's, links please
and it said you gave me so much neg rep each day, you doing that on purpose lol, and not even giving neg rep to the right post just this over and over again, each day.

[Quaylin]

Really doesn't matter it all depends on the rolls anyway, yea u may have a higher percentage wise but, if i roll 10 18s back to back it changes everything, its all chance there will never be a perfect calculation so therefore use anyone u like. Its all percentage based when in fact u never know what ur gonna roll.

[stainer]

Considering I don't have enough rep to dole out neg rep, I can only conclude that someone else is displeased by your need to necro threads without anything relevant to add to the discussion.

-Kernal

I think you do now Kernal.