The List of Vague and Incorrect Descriptions

[SteeleTrueheart]

Frenzied Berserker II-III:

• Incorrectly states to grant a +1 bonus to critical multiplier while ranging when the bonus is only limited to critical hits on a natural 19 or 20.

I hope you mean raging instead of ranging here?

Paladin Defender of Siberys III:

• Explanation of how our defensive auras are improved

+1 to each aura (I will double check if it applies to fear resist/concentration aura as well.)

[SteeleTrueheart]

Improved Destruction:

• Duration is missing missing -- Player answer: 1 minute
• Decreases AC by 4, not 8.

Is this correct? Destruction supposedly decreases AC by 4. Is this confirmed that Improved destruction is also only 4 (meaning it is useless or bugged)

[Borror0]

Is this correct? Destruction supposedly decreases AC by 4. Is this confirmed that Improved destruction is also only 4 (meaning it is useless or bugged)

Went through the thread and seen a post by me where I say I verified it, so I would trust that information. There would be no harm in you jumping in PvP to try it out, however. It should not be very hard to find out whether I was right or wrong.

As for usefulness, Destruction and Improved Destruction stack so there is always that.

I hope you mean raging instead of ranging here?

Fixed.

+1 to each aura (I will double check if it applies to fear resist/concentration aura as well.)

Added, thanks.

[Borror0]

Quivering Palm:

• Does not mention the cost -- Player answer: 30 Ki
• Does not mention the formula for the DC -- Player answer: DC 10 + monk level/2 + wisdom mod
• Does not mention it only works when unarmed.

Stunning Fist:

• Does not mention the formula for the DC -- Player answer: DC 10 + monk level/2 + wisdom mod
• Does not list duration -- Player answer: 6 seconds.
• Does not mention it only works when unarmed.

Touch of Death:

• Does not mention it only works when unarmed.
• Does not mention damage type -- Player answer: combat log says piercing but seems to behave like untyped damage

Btw, Stunning Fist is also missing from the Compendium.

[Garth_of_Sarlona]

Fire Savant:

• Better named "Fire Savant Set" for clarity
• Missing bonus type of the increased chance of critical hits with fire spells
• Missing bonus type of the increased fire spell critical multiplier damage

I did some testing with this recently

With all three critical enhancements (9%) and a major fire lore weapon in my hand (9%) after 210 firewalls I got 36 crits which is about 17.5% (about on the numbers). I then equipped the ring and belt from ToD and gained the Fire Savant bonus, and after casting another 210 firewalls I got 48 crits - around 23% which is about the number expected with an extra +5% bonus from the savant set.

For the record, I equipped the fire savant set first, then the major fire lore scepter... just in case there's any possibility of stacking being order dependent. I didn't test the other way round. I also did not test whether damage changed.

Garth

[Kintro]

Some player answers on shadow walk here: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=249196

Movement speed: 40%, same type as haste.

[Visty]

Some player answers on shadow walk here: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=249196

Movement speed: 40%, same type as haste (competence?).

haste isnt 40% anymore, shadowwalk is faster

[Shade]

[*]Improved Destruction:

• Duration is missing missing -- Player answer: 1 minute
• Decreases AC by 4, not 8.

It does decrease AC by 8. (if it didn't it would be identical to regular destruct)

It no longer stacks with regular destruction tho. That was changed some time ago. Duration is still 1 minuit.

[Shade]

haste isnt 40% anymore, shadowwalk is faster

The idea of the thread is to provide clear answer to vague in-game descriptions.

You saying "it's faster" is equally as vague and useless. Provide an amount.

My testing (many years ago) shown it was equal to haste, but that could very well of changed. As technically given the annoying effects of the spell it should be slightly better.

And haste is indeed still 40%. This was confirmed by very careful testing by Mrcow and another player. Provide some testing results or don't muddy up this thread please.

[Visty]

The idea of the thread is to provide clear answer to vague in-game descriptions.

You saying "it's faster" is equally as vague and useless. Provide an amount.

shadowwalk is the old hastespeed of 40%
new haste is (according to mr cow, think he was it who tested it) ~35%

[Shade]

I also did not test whether damage changed.

Garth

I did, it did not (none of the savant nor the archmage set do). (Tho this was within a couple weeks of the item being released)

Also I don't think 200 casts is enough to provide accurate results.
Check this thread for more testing and info on the subject:
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=200892

[Shade]

shadowwalk is the old hastespeed of 40%
new haste is (according to mr cow, think he was it who tested it) ~35%

That is NOT what mrcow posted. Thread here where you even posted in....... (or did you forget)
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php...ighlight=haste

He posted that haste never changed despite the rumors.

[Visty]

That is NOT what mrcow posted. Thread here where you even posted in....... (or did you forget)
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php...ighlight=haste

He posted that haste never changed despite the rumors.

then i got that wrong

shadowwalk is still faster, so something like 45% then

[Kintro]

haste isnt 40% anymore, shadowwalk is faster

Never said it was

[Vanshilar]

That testing was done in October 2009; when I did my testing in February 2010, haste was giving a 32% bonus to running speed, while 30% striding was giving a 24% bonus. I don't have any chars with shadowwalk so no idea if it's working at the "advertised" 40% or 32%.

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=232590

In retrospect, I don't know if MrCow when he did his testing in October, took into account that 30% striding might've changed as well; his testing result was that haste is faster than 30% striding, but was using it to answer rumors that haste running speed might've been nerfed; it turned out however that 30% striding was also slower than advertised, so basically the testing results couldn't really answer that question.

Something interesting to note is that he said when hasted, the running duration was 26.11 seconds, while with 30% striding it was 24.53 seconds. This ratio is 26.11/24.53 = 106.44%. If haste were at 40% and 30% striding at 30% of normal run speed, then the ratio would've been at 1.4/1.3 = 107.69%. If haste were at 32% and 30% striding were at 24% of normal run speed, then the ratio would be 1.32/1.24 = 106.45%.

[Visty]

That testing was done in October 2009; when I did my testing in February 2010, haste was giving a 32% bonus to running speed, while 30% striding was giving a 24% bonus. I don't have any chars with shadowwalk so no idea if it's working at the "advertised" 40% or 32%.

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=232590

In retrospect, I don't know if MrCow when he did his testing in October, took into account that 30% striding might've changed as well; his testing result was that haste is faster than 30% striding, but was using it to answer rumors that haste running speed might've been nerfed; it turned out however that 30% striding was also slower than advertised, so basically the testing results couldn't really answer that question.

Something interesting to note is that he said when hasted, the running duration was 26.11 seconds, while with 30% striding it was 24.53 seconds. This ratio is 26.11/24.53 = 106.44%. If haste were at 40% and 30% striding at 30% of normal run speed, then the ratio would've been at 1.4/1.3 = 107.69%. If haste were at 32% and 30% striding were at 24% of normal run speed, then the ratio would be 1.32/1.24 = 106.45%.

then it was your testing i was refering too

eat this, shade!!!

[Vanshilar]

then it was your testing i was refering too

eat this, shade!!!

Eh what I was obliquely referring to was that as far as I know, no one's tested shadowwalk yet so no idea if it's faster or slower or equal to haste.

BTW, side-by-side running comparisons do not work very well, since there will be some latency issues for either side (client A will think he's ahead of client B, but client B will think he's ahead of client A, when they're running together). Best way I think is to use the /loc command and a stopwatch.

[Visty]

Eh what I was obliquely referring to was that as far as I know, no one's tested shadowwalk yet so no idea if it's faster or slower or equal to haste.

BTW, side-by-side running comparisons do not work very well, since there will be some latency issues for either side (client A will think he's ahead of client B, but client B will think he's ahead of client A, when they're running together). Best way I think is to use the /loc command and a stopwatch.

i meant in regards to haste beeing lower then 40%
imo when you cast shadowwalk while beeing hasted theres a significant increase in speed

[Kintro]

For those that care I did a video doing MrCow's test with shadow walk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMXCpwYvN_A

23.35 seconds

[Shade]

then it was your testing i was refering too

eat this, shade!!!

What am I eating? Your still wrong about what you posted.

Haste and striders speed never changed like you claim they did (also wrongly claimed mrcow said this). They were always less then advertised. Same thing has always applied to hastes bonus to attack speed, never gave the full amount.

Internally all of these things are coded as the descriptions say. It's just the complexity of the games animation system changes the end result.