Archery gets nerfed EVEN MORE!

[sephiroth1084]

Perhaps the devs overlooked this, or simply don't care, but the transmuting nerf hurts archers more than anyone else. Sure, archers already had a (somewhat) easier time dealing with metal- and metal + alignment-based DR, but they still required a transmuter to deal with DR/bludgeoning and DR/slashing.

Now archers no longer have that option.

So, why don't we get some slashing and bludgeoning arrows introduced? They do exist somewhere in the PnP rules, so we're not going over new territory. But if they do get implemented, please do so across the board. That is, with standard, masterwork, +1-+5 magical, elemental, aligned, sturdy, metal typed, and the other various House D versions!

Perhaps even alter them to apply variant stats:

Slashing - decreases weapon damage die by 2 steps (1d4 for longbows, 1d3 for shortbows), but increase base threat range by 1 (standard bows would have a 19-20, improved to 17-20 with Improved Crit or Keen, while the Silver Bow would be 1d6 18-20/x3).

Bludgeoning - increase weapon damage by 1 step (1d10 for longbows, 1d8 for short), but decrease crit multiplier by 1 step (Silver Bow would be 1d12 19-20/x2).

[sephiroth1084]

Oh, and what's the point of a RoF boost (Ranger 20) when rangers will suddenly have their damage against some monsters cut so much?

[Laith]

what's funny about this nerf is that since transmuting came out there has been exactly ONE reason to pick up a bludgeoning weapon (weighted+stunning blow), and now everyone wants them.

[Kalari]

Yeah my transmuting bow and silver bow were two of my favorites, now I will have to make room for more weapons and hope I dont become burden for carrying a weapon for every occasion now.

Meh enough complaining not like its gonna matter much anyway and ive dinner to cook.

[Slink]

Somewhere I had read a post stating that elemental/alignment based arrows would be available somewhere in the future.
I had neglected to think of this valid point.

Maybe RoF increase is their answer...

*shudder*

[Quanefel]

If I remember correctly, yes there was some blunt arrows in P&P. I can not recall the name of them but they were there. That would be a nice thing to add to the game if the Dev's were up to it.

[RavenBrother]

Haven't used a transmuting bow on my Ranger....in like forever... My +5 Shock longbow of pure good out damages my +1 transmuting longbow of Greater Evil Outsider Bane. No biggie here. Besides... I don't range him except for the 20 seconds of multishot..even then in mele range.... I do more damage with my rapiers.

[Kintro]

My +5 Shock longbow of pure good out damages my +2 transmuting longbow of Greater Evil Outsider Bane.

It does? 2d6+5 vs 3d6+6, the transmuter should win. You could also put Holy arrows in the transmuter for another 2d6.

Anyway, blunt/slashing arrows would be cool! Wish I'd sold my trans/undead bane bow now ...

[Noctus]

My +5 Shock longbow of pure good out damages my +1 transmuting longbow of Greater Evil Outsider Bane.

You should redo your math.

[feynman]

It's not a nerf, it's a bug fix!

Oh, how the worm turns. It's not so fun when you're on the receiving end, is it? Of course, if some of you weren't hypocrites about nerfs, I might be sympathetic. As it is, you get what you give: Nothing.

[maddmatt70]

Fighters, ironically one of the other hard pressed groups in mod 8 also gets nerfed. Their weapons are based on a specific weapon unlike any of the other classes. This means that if something is dr/slash, dr/pierced, or dr/bludgeon fighters invariably do less damage to it..

[Uska]

If I remember correctly, yes there was some blunt arrows in P&P. I can not recall the name of them but they were there. That would be a nice thing to add to the game if the Dev's were up to it.

I think blunt arrows are called farring arrows

[GunboatDiplomat]

Blunt arrows?

Umm, I know we're playing in a fantasy world with magic and dragons and everything but we generally use basic laws of physics.

The only way you could make arrows do bludgeoning as opposed to pierce damage is to widen the tip significantly. (Removing or blunting the arrow tip would not work as the arrow would still pierce the target)

If you widen the tip of the arrow you make it very unstable in flight, massively reducing its range.

Believe it or not I've actually used arrows with specially widened latex covered tips in Live Roleplaying. After about 20 feet you couldn't hit a barn door. That was only with a 25lb bow. I also found the flight was more stable the less power you put into it.

I guess you could have the 'Stormreavers bow' with massive arrows. But you you'd have to be a giant to use it and I don't think they're planning to add giants as a playable race until quite some time after half orcs.

Which is a shame cause their dances are hilarious

[The_Phenx]

Arcane Archer... exploding arrow that does bludgeon damage.

Problem solved...

[sephiroth1084]

Blunt arrows?

Umm, I know we're playing in a fantasy world with magic and dragons and everything but we generally use basic laws of physics.

The only way you could make arrows do bludgeoning as opposed to pierce damage is to widen the tip significantly. (Removing or blunting the arrow tip would not work as the arrow would still pierce the target)

If you widen the tip of the arrow you make it very unstable in flight, massively reducing its range.

Believe it or not I've actually used arrows with specially widened latex covered tips in Live Roleplaying. After about 20 feet you couldn't hit a barn door. That was only with a 25lb bow. I also found the flight was more stable the less power you put into it.

I guess you could have the 'Stormreavers bow' with massive arrows. But you you'd have to be a giant to use it and I don't think they're planning to add giants as a playable race until quite some time after half orcs.

Which is a shame cause their dances are hilarious

As you acknowledged, this is a game with dragons and magic and living constructst and instantaneous spacial movement (teleport)...

I think that including blunt arrows for the sake of game balance is a far cry from being unbelievable.

And we don't have very realistic physics here: I can immerse myself in lava without injury, and can leap off of a 6 story building without dying or even breaking a bone.

[GunboatDiplomat]

As you acknowledged, this is a game with dragons and magic and living constructst and instantaneous spacial movement (teleport)...

I think that including blunt arrows for the sake of game balance is a far cry from being unbelievable.

And we don't have very realistic physics here: I can immerse myself in lava without injury, and can leap off of a 6 story building without dying or even breaking a bone.

Haha, true. I'm usually the last one to use the 'this would never happen in the real world' argument. Its only because I have used 'blunt arrows' and they suck so it might affect my suspension of disbelief. Err, more than dragons and magic...

[sephiroth1084]

Haha, true. I'm usually the last one to use the 'this would never happen in the real world' argument. Its only because I have used 'blunt arrows' and they suck so it might affect my suspension of disbelief. Err, more than dragons and magic...

I believe the ones in whichever PnP book they hail from had fluting and other aerodynamic features to improve their flight. Perhaps they had a shorter range increment as well (unimportant in DDO).

[barabel]

There is precedent in the 3.5 ruleset for what the OP is asking for in Races of the Wild.

excerpted from the table on p166

Arrow, blunt (Longbow) 1d8, Crit 20/x2, Range 50, Bludgeoning
Arrow, blunt (Shortbow) 1d6, Crit 20/x2, Range 40, Bludgeoning
Arrow, Serpentstongue (Longbow) 1d8, 20/x3, Range 100, Piercing and Slashing
Arrow, Serpentstongue (Shortbow) 1d6, 20/x3, Range 70, Piercing and Slashing

[Gryphton]

MY old man is big into archery and goes to all those bow shoots around our state and such. They do make blunt tips (in the real world), believe these were in PnP as well. Just do a google search on Blunt arrows or Club arrows, they look like an outward flared cone or surface. They are mainly used for killing small game without damaging the pelt. It exists in real life, but must be too much of a stretch of the imagination with all this magic being flung around and all these dragons and such *rooleyes*

[Vivanto]

can leap off of a 6 story building without dying or even breaking a bone.

HAH, and don't even need magic for that!!!