Transmuting discussion

[branmakmuffin]

Now the price of transmuting of PG will skyrocket

Woo hoo, ToPG, the new WoP!

[TrenchcoatJesus]

if you wanna incorporate epic dr make it dr- like orcs and elementals.
DONT NERF TRANSMUTING.

we spent to much time and effort to make mineral 2 weps
and gave up to much to get transmuting grtr bane weapons

I don't know how long you've played this, or any other MMO, but did you honestly expect to receive a new module, new content, and expect that all of your current gear would be sufficient?

Are you saying that a new mod forcing you to get new gear, that is, spend time playing the game, is too much of an inconvenience?

That seems to be the biggest argument I've heard of the nay-sayers. That this "penalizes the casual gamer" and "hurts your cash flow" etc. The only thing that this does is requires more investment of your time to get to what you feel your character 'deserves'. The only thing this 'horrible nerf' does is give you a reason to play the game.

/unsigned. Actually glad to see this go through and make things a little more challenging.


PIXA

My thoughts exactly. After reading through the release notes, ALL of them, I have faith that this module is designed to make DDO more playable. More challenging? Perhaps. But given the number of bug fixes, playability fixes, and assorted quest nerfs (such as the STK boss, the Marut's regen in VoN 3, or even the Abbot changes) I'm thinking Turbine is interested in making the game fun to play.

If this "nerf" makes you not want to play the game because playing the game the first time was enough of a chore you'd rather not do it again; I have nothing to say to you except find a game you enjoy playing. I think the rest of us enjoy this one.

-TrenchcoatJesus

[MrCow]

Woo hoo, ToPG, the new WoP!

Unless you are of non-good alignment with no UMD, then its Holy Silver or Holy Cold Iron.

[Newtons_Apple]

Why do the devs hate the casual gamer so much?
Why do the devs lie to us?
Why does Turbine ignore its customer base?
Why do the devs have to always nerf everything they can think of?
Why do the devs do stupid stuff without ever thinking it thru?

Somebody please close this thread - he's just repeating the same things he said in another one.

http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p...2&postcount=13

[xman26]

Somebody please close this thread - he's just repeating the same things he said in another one.

I did?

[Lithic]

Unless you are of non-good alignment with no UMD, then its screw you and the chaotic neutral horse you rode in on.

Fixed that for ya MrC

[sirgog]

I'm not looking forward to the new Shroud groups advertising 'must have Mineral 2'.

Because there is NO easy-to-obtain substitute for it now.

[Brigadoom]

.. assorted quest nerfs (such as the STK boss, the Marut's regen in VoN 3, or even the Abbot changes) I'm thinking Turbine is interested in making the game fun to play.

oh don't get me started about abbot, abbot is perfectly beatable, I do it almost every day, just because it is VERY challenging, does not mean it should be fixed...

That raid was never intended for someone to go in once and come out with raid loot, it was designed to be practiced till the person was proficient. So that the people who spent the time and effort to learn it, got the reward. Just like real life, things don't always come easy, some times you have to work for the things you want.

[branmakmuffin]

Unless you are of non-good alignment with no UMD, then its Holy Silver or Holy Cold Iron.

No UMD? Gimped, I tell you, gimped!

We don't need a Rind of Evasion, we need a Ring of 20 UMD.

[MrCow]

Fixed that for ya MrC

You fixed it wrong as I ride cows, not horses.

I'm not looking forward to the new Shroud groups advertising 'must have Mineral 2'.

Nor am I, mainly because its one of those "You must run The Shroud to make a Mineral II weapon, but appear to require a Mineral II weapon to run The Shroud" issues.

[honkuimushi]

I'm also going to go on record as being opposed to this change. My main complaint is that it really hurts people without Min2 weapons aka Casuals. As mentioned, a Min2 will still bypass 80%+ of the bypassable DR in the game. However, regualr Trasmuters will bypass less than 50%.

Making Trasmuting a Prefix with a fairly high + means that most randomly generated trasmuters are either a simple +x Transmuter or a +x Transmuter of some less than ideal suffix like Tendon Slice. The really lucky pulls are those with Pure Good or a Bane effect against something with DR. Transmuters of Pure Good were already expensive, now they're going to be insane.

Basically, Transmuters allowed people who maybe didn't have the perfect weapon for the quest to at least do base damage against a monster with DR and not be reduced to doing 1 or 2d6 damage. I know my use of Transmuters is situational. Most of the time my other weapons with DPS modifiers do more damage. I dread the first shroud runs without someone with Min2 weapons or the Von 3 run with a couple of Paladins.

There are a lot of really cool things in Mod 9, but this change and the Con damage change really **** me off.

[xman26]

I don't know how long you've played this, or any other MMO, but did you honestly expect to receive a new module, new content, and expect that all of your current gear would be sufficient?

Are you saying that a new mod forcing you to get new gear, that is, spend time playing the game, is too much of an inconvenience?

That seems to be the biggest argument I've heard of the nay-sayers. That this "penalizes the casual gamer" and "hurts your cash flow" etc. The only thing that this does is requires more investment of your time to get to what you feel your character 'deserves'. The only thing this 'horrible nerf' does is give you a reason to play the game.



My thoughts exactly. After reading through the release notes, ALL of them, I have faith that this module is designed to make DDO more playable. More challenging? Perhaps. But given the number of bug fixes, playability fixes, and assorted quest nerfs (such as the STK boss, the Marut's regen in VoN 3, or even the Abbot changes) I'm thinking Turbine is interested in making the game fun to play.

If this "nerf" makes you not want to play the game because playing the game the first time was enough of a chore you'd rather not do it again; I have nothing to say to you except find a game you enjoy playing. I think the rest of us enjoy this one.

-TrenchcoatJesus

You both sound like power gamers.

[...v...]

If you nerf my transmuters for my rangers, and I have 3 dual weilding them I will not hesitate no cancle my account. I DID NOT SPEND MONTHS OF GRINDING THE SHROUD FOR YOUR DEVELOPERS TO COME ALONG AND RUIN IT!

[vtecfiend99]

If you nerf my transmuters for my rangers, and I have 3 dual weilding them I will not hesitate no cancle my account. I DID NOT SPEND MONTHS OF GRINDING THE SHROUD FOR YOUR DEVELOPERS TO COME ALONG AND RUIN IT!

Word. Pretty sure if this hits live a lot of people are going to jump ship. That's a **** ton of grinding to ahve yanked out from under you.

[vtecfiend99]

You fixed it wrong as I ride cows, not horses.



Nor am I, mainly because its one of those "You must run The Shroud to make a Mineral II weapon, but appear to require a Mineral II weapon to run The Shroud" issues.

Throw this in the giant bucket of reasons this is one of the most terrible decisions that have been made to date

[ducetrae]

I don't know how long you've played this, or any other MMO, but did you honestly expect to receive a new module, new content, and expect that all of your current gear would be sufficient?

Are you saying that a new mod forcing you to get new gear, that is, spend time playing the game, is too much of an inconvenience?

That seems to be the biggest argument I've heard of the nay-sayers. That this "penalizes the casual gamer" and "hurts your cash flow" etc. The only thing that this does is requires more investment of your time to get to what you feel your character 'deserves'. The only thing this 'horrible nerf' does is give you a reason to play the game.



My thoughts exactly. After reading through the release notes, ALL of them, I have faith that this module is designed to make DDO more playable. More challenging? Perhaps. But given the number of bug fixes, playability fixes, and assorted quest nerfs (such as the STK boss, the Marut's regen in VoN 3, or even the Abbot changes) I'm thinking Turbine is interested in making the game fun to play.

If this "nerf" makes you not want to play the game because playing the game the first time was enough of a chore you'd rather not do it again; I have nothing to say to you except find a game you enjoy playing. I think the rest of us enjoy this one.

-TrenchcoatJesus

pls believe me there is nothing in the game i need ,and i am looking forward to more challenging quest and new gear that i will have the first day of mod nine just like all the other stuff i have. what i said is make the new quest harder and better not nerf the stuff we have in order to make the new stuff more nerftastic. if they started making making the belt of brute str +3 str leser false life would you think that is right or made madstone boots +1 str +1 con or tharnes goggle no longer give a set bonus you like that idea bards cloak no longer has +6 char but +4 how about that. that said this does not make me or anyone invest more time in fact i just now have to carry more **** stuff in my already filled pack pack for a dumb reason because they nerfed raid loot . cmon give me a break

[vtecfiend99]

Wow, it looks like the forum police combined a TON of threads into one here. Yay.

[vtecfiend99]

Not letting this get pawned off to obscurity in the combat section.

[xman26]

Talk about going back on your word of not screwing with the Shroud Crafting system. This totally kills alot of the grind, time and effort put into making Min2 weapons. Good Grief Devs

[vtecfiend99]

Talk about going back on your word of not screwing with the Shroud Crafting system. This totally kills alot of the grind, time and effort put into making Min2 weapons. Good Grief Devs, do any of you have brains or is it all mush?

Don't insult, if we all kepp doing that then they won't listen to us and it will just stay the way it is.