Transmuting discussion

[Angelus_dead]

Correct. But its not only +6 or better wpns... But +11 or greater TOTAL modifier qualifies as EPIC, as per PnP rules.

No, that is not what the D&D rules say.

In reality:
Not every epic weapon can beat epic DR.
Some non-epic weapons can beat epic DR.

[ducetrae]

if you wanna incorporate epic dr make it dr- like orcs and elementals.
DONT NERF TRANSMUTING.

we spent to much time and effort to make mineral 2 weps
and gave up to much to get transmuting grtr bane weapons

[xman26]

if you wanna incorporate epic dr make it dr- like orcs and elementals.
DONT NERF TRANSMUTING.

we spent to much time and effort to make mineral 2 weps
and gave up to much to get transmuting grtr bane weapons

/signed

[Kintro]

Well yes, my comment was based on the fact that I don't have one, and my current transmuters will be far less effective. That's why I said I needed to make one (because it will have the mods needed to bypass the DR in addition to Transmuting).

oops, misread, sorry. It's 2:30am .. that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it

[MrCow]

we spent to much time and effort to make mineral 2 weps

Except for Thaarak Hounds, Maruts, and monsters that you fail to penetrate the DR via slash/blunt/pierce, those mineral II weapons will get through the same DR it always has.

[gorloch]

/unsigned. Actually glad to see this go through and make things a little more challenging.


PIXA

[Lorien_the_First_One]

Except for Thaarak Hounds, Maruts, and monsters that you fail to penetrate the DR via slash/blunt/pierce, those mineral II weapons will get through the same DR it always has.

No, it won't, that's the point. Transmuting will now only transmute past metal type. This will not be a problem for power gamers that will just make a second or third set of GS, but for those of us who barely can get together one set, its a problem.

[Vorn]

Doesn't bother me so much...just have to think whether I am going to bother carrying a blunt weapon for liches like Sorjek now or piercer for rakshasa's...I really hate carrying an extra couple of weapons for fairly rare mobs...I'm always forgetting to get them out of the bank.

Guess my pally's will carry H.S. warhammers and khopeshes now--kinda wondering if Mord. Disjunct will make them go *poof*.

[Impaqt]

No, it won't, that's the point. Transmuting will now only transmute past metal type. This will not be a problem for power gamers that will just make a second or third set of GS, but for those of us who barely can get together one set, its a problem.

Yes, But all Mineral II's are also Good/holy by design.

[MrCow]

No, it won't, that's the point. Transmuting will now only transmute past metal type.

Mineral II will have the following:

• Silver
• Byeskh
• Cold Iron
• Mithril
• Adamantine
• Evil
• Magic

Mineral II may have the following:

• Good (usually via Holy or Good Burst)
• Blunt
• Slashing
• Piercing

Mineral II won't have the following:

• Law
• Chaos
• Epic

Still seems rather universal to me.

[ducetrae]

/unsigned. Actually glad to see this go through and make things a little more challenging.


PIXA

the challenging part of the min 2 is making it it takes forever and cost alot .....also the devs said the new mod 9 will not leverage the crafting we have already done inside the shroud ....with that said they flat out lied to us.

with shroud wepons the huge cost is makiong them that is the challenge the reward is the benefit . now they are taking away the benifit . THAT IS WRONG.

[bobbryan2]

But the mineral II actually won't bypass devil dr if you didn't put holy or pure good damage on it.

Not sure why you wouldn't... but you might have. Those people get completely boned out of 24 larges...

And without a deconstruction system..

[bobbryan2]

/unsigned. Actually glad to see this go through and make things a little more challenging.


PIXA

Doesn't really make the game more challenging...

Just makes transmuting of pure good prices skyrocket and demolish transmuting of anything else.

[SableShadow]

Doesn't really make the game more challenging...

Just makes transmuting of pure good prices skyrocket and demolish transmuting of anything else.

Pretty much got done telling my roomie the same thing.

So...Dust II looking more and more attractive.

[xman26]

As somoone already pointed out, STRAIGHT OUT LIEING TO US! The DEVS have a history of lieing to us. Saying they wont do something only to do it anyways. Proper payback in my view would be to VOTE BIOWARE at escapeartist. Screw the DEVS, Screw TURBINE for screwing over its customer base at every single turn they get a chance to.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

Mineral II will have the following:

• Silver
• Byeskh
• Cold Iron
• Mithril
• Adamantine
• Evil
• Magic

Mineral II may have the following:

• Good (usually via Holy or Good Burst)
• Blunt
• Slashing
• Piercing

Mineral II won't have the following:

• Law
• Chaos
• Epic

Still seems rather universal to me.

Assuming the description is correct, nothing on your "may" list will be on transmuting.

[Uska]

Greeensteel needs to be nerfed back into the stone age, its the worse thing they have ever done to the game. followed by enhancements and other power escalation.

[xman26]

Assuming the description is correct, nothing on your "may" list will be on transmuting.

Given most of MIN2 weapons are acid/good burst or holy/acid burst, it will have the first one.

[xman26]

Greeensteel needs to be nerfed back into the stone age, its the worse thing they have ever done to the game. followed by enhancements and other power escalation.

Totally disagree. It is the only thing that helps the casual gamer compete with the vast majotiry of the power gamers in this game.

Casual gamer = 10hr or less play time/week
Power Gamer = 15 or more hours per week.

And this game has a population of roughly 90% power gamers.

[Junts]

No, it won't, that's the point. Transmuting will now only transmute past metal type. This will not be a problem for power gamers that will just make a second or third set of GS, but for those of us who barely can get together one set, its a problem.

hi

mineral weapons have a positive first or 2nd tier: this is almost always holy or good burst

that will break the good part of dr: the transmuting will do the material


min2 weapons were not effected by this at all as they relate to devils etc: only lawful/chaotic/evil drs, and people who use their minerals to beat the snot out of skeletons (like me) are affected.

if you have a min2, it is fine for most of what oyu used it for, ie, shroud/vod/new pitfiend beating.