Transmuting discussion

[Angelus_dead]

if thats how it is in pnp than that is how it should be but the way they are changing it is not right at all

Wrong. The fact that a rule exists in D&D doesn't mean it's right for DDO. It doesn't even mean it's right for D&D!

What is the point of the nerf though?

To increase diversity and choices.

Also, regular loot drop transmuters now have to have a second effect on them in order to be worthwhile. I am sure you are aware of how that multiplies the rarity of an item. And when that item is necessary, the PRICE.

That's why I predicted there will be named Holy Silver weapons dropping soon.

As for MIN2 being superlative damage... you know that is not true. You are trading damage for versatility. Especially against pitfiends immune to acid damage. Holy silver greater banes have a significant DPS advantage.

Haha, Holy Silver Greater Bane.

Yeah, totally everyone who build min2 had a Holy Silver Greater Bane they could've bought instead.

[Murderface]

Sorjek? The Lich? Liches only need magic+Bludgening to break DR..... You dotn have a +1 Holy Mace?

too bad i use transmuting slashers because i am specd for slashing

booo this stinks all my slashing enhancments and feats on my fighter will suck when trying to hit a lich like creature like the abbot **** think ill have to go with the good ole greensteel maul lol have to spec blunt damage tho yuck!

no i dont really care but it will be taking serious umph from my fighter damage for now on

murderface already has a transmuting gs min2 maul

i dont think he will be throwing out his any time soon

[FluffyCalico]

That's why I predicted there will be named Holy Silver weapons dropping soon.


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You mean like the vampire bow?

Base Value: 32,075 gp
Weight: 3 lbs
Proficiency Class: Martial weapons
Damage and Type: 1d10 + 2 Pierce, Good, Magic
Critical threat range: 19-20 / x3
Weapon Type: Long Bow / Ranged weapons
Handedness: Ranged weapon
Damage: n/a Attack: Dex
Durability: 120/120 Made from: Silver (Hardness: 12)
Minimum Level: 6
Binding: Does not bind on Acquire
Location: The Church and the Cult, End Chest
[edit] Enhancements
+2 Enhancement Bonus
Holy

[FluffyCalico]

Silver Longbow from vampire

Base Value: 32,075 gp
Weight: 3 lbs
Proficiency Class: Martial weapons
Damage and Type: 1d10 + 2 Pierce, Good, Magic
Critical threat range: 19-20 / x3
Weapon Type: Long Bow / Ranged weapons
Handedness: Ranged weapon
Damage: n/a Attack: Dex
Durability: 120/120 Made from: Silver (Hardness: 12)
Minimum Level: 6
Binding: Does not bind on Acquire
Location: The Church and the Cult, End Chest
[edit] Enhancements
+2 Enhancement Bonus
Holy

[Murderface]

Just curious...how many situations are there in which a Min II won't suffice?

Sorjak (assuming its a slashing or piercing Min II). What else of substance?

for slashing specd fighters :P

[vtecfiend99]

Haha, Holy Silver Greater Bane.

Yeah, totally everyone who build min2 had a Holy Silver Greater Bane they could've bought instead.

I have several. You verbiage was misleading and I called you on it.
They are not superlative. They are the best compromise. There is nothing wrong with grinding to nausea to get two set it and forget it dps weapons. There is nothing wrong with a casual player being able to get a plus 5 transmuter and feeling like he is contributing by cutting DR.



Yeah you predicted named holy silver items. How does this help? the drop rate for most names items is so low that unless the drop is static it would have almsot NO EFFECT on the price of getting holy/silver damage on a weapon.

[bobbryan2]

Silver Longbow from vampire

Base Value: 32,075 gp
Weight: 3 lbs
Proficiency Class: Martial weapons
Damage and Type: 1d10 + 2 Pierce, Good, Magic
Critical threat range: 19-20 / x3
Weapon Type: Long Bow / Ranged weapons
Handedness: Ranged weapon
Damage: n/a Attack: Dex
Durability: 120/120 Made from: Silver (Hardness: 12)
Minimum Level: 6
Binding: Does not bind on Acquire
Location: The Church and the Cult, End Chest
[edit] Enhancements
+2 Enhancement Bonus
Holy

Ummm... calling it the silver bow doesn't make it bypass silver DR. It still requires silver arrows, just like any other holy bow.

Were you joking?

[ducetrae]

this cannot be good for the casual gamer ....simple economics says when the value of something goes up thoe who are not rich cant afford it . so when a tranny maul of grtr indead bane is selling for 1.5 mil plat only the powergamers ( like me) will have it casual gamers will not even be able to get into parties because they will gimp and slow down the group. and my newbie friend wont be able to keep up because they wont get my handouts when i buy them transmuting grtr bane weps for them to have so they arnt far behind the other players that have been here a long time. why because i wont be able to afford them at that price. that means they cant party with a vast majority of the server and will likely stop playing /shrup wow population continues to climb.

[vtecfiend99]

Ummm... calling it the silver bow doesn't make it bypass silver DR. It still requires silver arrows, just like any other holy bow.

Were you joking?

i assumed so, never know though lol.

[Murderface]

I have several. You verbiage was misleading and I called you on it.
They are not superlative. They are the best compromise. There is nothing wrong with grinding to nausea to get two set it and forget it dps weapons. There is nothing wrong with a casual player being able to get a plus 5 transmuter and feeling like he is contributing by cutting DR.



Yeah you predicted named holy silver items. How does this help? the drop rate for most names items is so low that unless the drop is static it would have almsot NO EFFECT on the price of getting holy/silver damage on a weapon.

or at least it used to be

[Deslen]

Alright, Turbine, you have OFFICIALLY $&#*ed up. Transmuting, as per PnP, if I recall correctly, changes to bypass any bypassable DR. That should include epic.

Now, as far as the arguement of it being overpowered, you're forgetting one thing...
Transmuting is a PREFIX. That means that you can't have transmuting holy, transmuting shocking burst, or any other number of very useful things.

So, a transmuting weapon is indeed very versatile, but it lacks what many other weapons have in terms of something good from the prefix.

Transmuting Pure good can't be used by a lot of casual gamers, so you've royally screwed them.

Mineral II is very nice, but it also costs TON of resources, and grinding like crazy to get.

Now, factor in the fact that this will again mean that my fighter's inventory will be half full of weapons that only OCCASIONALLY get used, and you'll be diverging further from PnP, where you generally only carry two, maybe three weapons since in PnP backpack space and weight limits are far more real.

There, I've said my peace, I'm done. Don't bother responding to me, I'm going to go beat the @^*% out of my pillow in rage and calm down. I don't plan on checking this thread again, I'm sure I'll hear aaaalll about it later.

Oh, and I'm glad they nerfed WoPs, but they did it the WRONG way.

[SneakThief]

Wrong. In D&D, transmuting doesn't work on the first round.

And in D&D, a fight only lasts 4-5 rounds. Meaning Transmuting doesn't work 20-25% of the time.

What kind of silly lame *** my little pony battles do you have in PnP that only last 4-5 rounds? I'm sorry, but either you need a new DM or you need to stop making up silly numbers to bolster your position. And even IF you ONLY go 4-5 rounds, you must be playing with transmuters at really low levels getting only one attack per round making your numbers work there.

The change was silly and they shouldnt have done it. The only reason it was changed was because of Min2 and thats just a big **** on the face of all the people that have regular transmuters. If Min2 is such a problem, they should have made the effect for Min2 something else and made THAT effect work the way they wanted. (Coming from someone that has min2 on serveral characters). And no I dont really care that I cant bash skellies with my Min2 ... cuz all my melee's have Pos3 skellie bashers anyway, so dont try to use that one either. Im thinking of my friends that dont play enough to have several tier 3 shroud items on every toon and rely on things like plain old transmuters to get the job done. All those people that want to pug shroud just now got a big kick in the teeth.

[FluffyCalico]

Ummm... calling it the silver bow doesn't make it bypass silver DR. It still requires silver arrows, just like any other holy bow.

Were you joking?

Read what you quoted... It clearly says in what you quoted its made from silver and enchanted with holy.

Let me shorten the post

Durability: 120/120 Made from: Silver (Hardness: 12)
Minimum Level: 6
Binding: Does not bind on Acquire
Location: The Church and the Cult, End Chest
+2 Enhancement Bonus
Holy

[vtecfiend99]

Read what you quoted... It clearly says in what you quoted its made from silver and enchanted with holy.

Rofl, internet sarcasm filter? I still can't tell if you are joking. Read tha damage types. Good, pierce, magic. No silver.

[SneakThief]

garzuls bane is easy to get ... or at least it used to be

If you count grinding out that quest ad nauseum to get it easy.... sure... Optics are easy to get by that logic too. And if they change garzuls bane from cold iron to transmuting, it might be worth the grindage.

[branmakmuffin]

Transmuting Pure good can't be used by a lot of casual gamers, so you've royally screwed them.

Can't be used by them or you're on the bandwagon predicting they will be too expensive to acquire? If the former, why do you say that?

[ducetrae]

Just curious...how many situations are there in which a Min II won't suffice?

Sorjak (assuming its a slashing or piercing Min II). What else of substance?

if anyone made a min 2 it was made on a piercing or slashing wepon with the exception of mauls before greataxes were added therefore all min 2 wep out there are now useless on undeads and clay golems and other such stuff that needs a bludeon bypass . if you made a slashing min 2 you are scewed out of piercing and if you made a piercing min 2 you are screwed out of slashing

[vtecfiend99]

or at least it used to be

It's easy to get becasue no one really wants it anymore. Auction prices are cheap. Remember how much optic nerves used to cost? how much named items STILL cost if they are in any kind of demand?

[kamimitsu]

I've only ever crafted three items to Tier3. I also have no Trans of PG (had been getting by with regular old transmuting for Harry\Sally). My rogue just got a lot less effective for Shroud and VoD, I guess I'll have to grind more Shroud for larges to make Min2s... at least I play mornings when players take the first 12 (within reason) we can get and won't have to deal with Lfms that read "Min2 or TransPG required". As if being a rogue wasn't tough enough.

[vtecfiend99]

Can't be used by them or you're on the bandwagon predicting they will be too expensive to acquire? If the former, why do you say that?

Because a lot of casual gamers care about an alignment that they dig. Chaotic neutral for most of my friends I have convinced to come try the game. It is usually a surprise for them to find out there are weapons that they simply CANT equip if they dont have umd or aren't good.

Coming from PNP to this game is a harsh learning process sometimes given the number of differences