Transmuting discussion

[Junts]

The logic here I understand, however, there is a material that allows weapons to break dr/good (flametouched iron): why exactly can transmuting weapons not become flametouched iron and break dr/good? Is this an intentional nerf of transmuting, or an oversight regarding the material?

[HeavenlyCloud]

Well if they change transmuting to only metals it will suck for dr's like bludgeon/slashing and piercing. Nice question btw. looking forward to an answer.

[Korvek]

The logic here I understand, however, there is a material that allows weapons to break dr/good (flametouched iron): why exactly can transmuting weapons not become flametouched iron and break dr/good? Is this an intentional nerf of transmuting, or an oversight regarding the material?

What?

My Transmuter breaks DR/Good...

Transmuting Handwraps don't, but those are the only bugged ones I can think of.

[BlackSteel]

i think the change is to influence the introduction of epic DR

what good is epic DR when everyone playing will just be able to ignore it with their mineral 2's

[branmakmuffin]

What?

My Transmuter breaks DR/Good...

It does at the moment.

[BlackSteel]

What?

My Transmuter breaks DR/Good...

read the release notes

[HeavenlyCloud]

i think the change is to influence the introduction of epic DR

what good is epic DR when everyone playing will just be able to ignore it with their mineral 2's

You can't bypass epic DR. Same as DR/-

[Korvek]

read the release notes

Doh. I missed that part. Whoa, that'll be somewhat lame against enemies like Harry and Sully. I might need to make a Mineral II after all...

[vyvy3369]

That's an interesting potential oversight, but even if they do add it you can probably expect it to bypass only one of them at the same time. From what I recall, this was based off one of the PnP enchantments available that allowed you to physically change your weapon into another type of metal as an action.

[Riorik]

Seems more like the intention is to drastically alter the landscape for the end game quests. No longer would merely transmutings be the minimum standard since they'd no longer bypass Harry or Sally's DR.

[Angelus_dead]

The logic here I understand, however, there is a material that allows weapons to break dr/good (flametouched iron): why exactly can transmuting weapons not become flametouched iron and break dr/good? Is this an intentional nerf of transmuting, or an oversight regarding the material?

That looks correct to me.

That is, the "Good" nature of flametouched iron isn't something physical from the metal itself, but the fact that this metal was blessed by a godlike force. Precisely duplicating the molecular structure isn't enough, because it's still "counterfeit".

From a game design view, it's also a good change, because it's wrong for one property to cover so many kinds of monsters. They should avoid creating things that are called "The only weapon you'll ever need".

However: for the sake of rules fidelity, they should probably rename Transmuting into "Metalline"

The other thing they should change: Allow randomly-generated weapons to have both Holy and Transmuting (such as by enabling one of those properties to appear as a suffix).

[Kintro]

Doh. I missed that part. Whoa, that'll be somewhat lame against enemies like Harry and Sully. I might need to make a Mineral II after all...

Your min 2 is likely going to be holy or good burst anyway so will bypass harry/sully just fine. It's the transmuting/gtr evil outsider bane random loot that won't. We're gradually losing all the useful random loot?

[BlackSteel]

You can't bypass epic DR. Same as DR/-

then why even call it epic?? just have DR/-

[Korvek]

Your min 2 is likely going to be holy or good burst anyway so will bypass harry/sully just fine. It's the transmuting/gtr evil outsider bane random loot that won't. We're gradually losing all the useful random loot?

Well yes, my comment was based on the fact that I don't have one, and my current transmuters will be far less effective. That's why I said I needed to make one (because it will have the mods needed to bypass the DR in addition to Transmuting).

[Korvek]

then why even call it epic?? just have DR/-

Because Dr/Epic can be bypassed by Epic-related things. We just aren't there yet (Unless you count those +2 of Greater Banes as Epic even though they currently don't bypass said DR).

[jmelanie7]

Your min 2 is likely going to be holy or good burst anyway so will bypass harry/sully just fine. It's the transmuting/gtr evil outsider bane random loot that won't. We're gradually losing all the useful random loot?

No, Holy burst silver of greater evil outsider bane will still work

[Junts]

That looks correct to me.

That is, the "Good" nature of flametouched iron isn't something physical from the metal itself, but the fact that this metal was blessed by a godlike force. Precisely duplicating the molecular structure isn't enough, because it's still "counterfeit".

From a game design view, it's also a good change, because it's wrong for one property to cover so many kinds of monsters. They should avoid creating things that are called "The only weapon you'll ever need".

However: for the sake of rules fidelity, they should probably rename Transmuting into "Metalline"

The other thing they should change: Allow randomly-generated weapons to have both Holy and Transmuting (such as by enabling one of those properties to appear as a suffix).

transmuters of pg just went up a ton, whereas plain transmuters blow, which is unfortunate

and min2 are great, still

[BlackSteel]

Because Dr/Epic can be bypassed by Epic-related things. We just aren't there yet (Unless you count those +2 of Greater Banes as Epic even though they currently don't bypass said DR).

yes i know, but it as previously said that nothing could bypass epic

as transmuters stood, they were working on everything. Its more balanced to restrict them, and do it now, than to say oh you can work on everything, or everything but epic.

[cluedout]

then why even call it epic?? just have DR/-

correct me if i am wrong but i think that epic DR is bypassed with an epic weapon (+6 or more bunus)

[jmelanie7]

correct me if i am wrong but i think that epic DR is bypassed with an epic weapon (+6 or more bunus)

Correct. But its not only +6 or better wpns... But +11 or greater TOTAL modifier qualifies as EPIC, as per PnP rules.