endgame heal bot. tell me what you think.

[Mentos3111]

This is basically same build, I am rolling the halfling version because I like halflings. The human version is better due to the extra feat.

human version..

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Level 16 True Neutral Human Male
(15 Cleric \ 1 Sorcerer) 
Hit Points: 176
Spell Points: 1367 
BAB: 11\11\16\21
Fortitude: 11
Reflex: 6
Will: 19

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 16)
Strength              8                     8
Dexterity            11                    12
Constitution         14                    14
Intelligence          9                    10
Wisdom               18                    26
Charisma             14                    18

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 1
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 1
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 1
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 1

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 16)
Balance               2                    10.5
Bluff                 2                     4
Concentration         6                    22
Diplomacy             2                     4
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle                2                     4.5
Heal                  4                    21
Hide                  1                     1
Intimidate            2                     4
Jump                 -1                    -1
Listen                4                     8
Move Silently         1                     1
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                0                     0
Search                0                     0
Spot                  4                     8
Swim                 -1                    -1
Tumble                2                     2
Use Magic Device      n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell
Feat: (Human Bonus) Mental Toughness


Level 2 (Cleric)


Level 3 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell


Level 4 (Cleric)


Level 5 (Cleric)


Level 6 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Mental Toughness


Level 7 (Cleric)


Level 8 (Cleric)


Level 9 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Spell


Level 10 (Cleric)


Level 11 (Cleric)


Level 12 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell


Level 13 (Cleric)


Level 14 (Cleric)


Level 15 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell


Level 16 (Sorcerer)
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Charisma I
Enhancement: Cleric Concentration I
Enhancement: Cleric Heal I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic III
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic IV
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot I
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot II
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot III
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot IV
Enhancement: Cleric Charisma I
Enhancement: Cleric Charisma II
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom I
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom II
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom III
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Cleansing I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality II
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality III
Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning I
Enhancement: Cleric Wand Mastery I
Enhancement: Cleric Wand Mastery II
Enhancement: Cleric Wand Mastery III
Enhancement: Cleric Wand Mastery IV

halfling version has more strn due to weight restrictions

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Level 16 True Neutral Halfling Male
(15 Cleric \ 1 Sorcerer) 
Hit Points: 176
Spell Points: 1367 
BAB: 11\11\16\21
Fortitude: 13
Reflex: 8
Will: 21

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 16)
Strength              9                    10
Dexterity            11                    12
Constitution         13                    14
Intelligence          9                    10
Wisdom               18                    26
Charisma             14                    18

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 1
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 1
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 1
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 1
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 1
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 1

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 16)
Balance               1                     7.5
Bluff                 3                     4
Concentration         4                    23
Diplomacy             3                     4
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle                3                     4
Heal                  4                     8
Hide                  1                     3
Intimidate            3                     4
Jump                  0                     2
Listen                4                    10
Move Silently         1                     3
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                0                     0
Search                0                     0
Spot                  4                     8
Swim                  0                     0
Tumble                2                     2
Use Magic Device      n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness


Level 2 (Cleric)


Level 3 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell


Level 4 (Cleric)


Level 5 (Cleric)


Level 6 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Mental Toughness


Level 7 (Cleric)


Level 8 (Cleric)


Level 9 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Spell


Level 10 (Cleric)


Level 11 (Cleric)


Level 12 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell


Level 13 (Cleric)


Level 14 (Cleric)


Level 15 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell


Level 16 (Sorcerer)
Enhancement: Halfling Fear Resistance I
Enhancement: Halfling Luck I (Fortitude)
Enhancement: Halfling Luck I (Reflex)
Enhancement: Halfling Luck I (Will)
Enhancement: Cleric Concentration I
Enhancement: Cleric Concentration II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic III
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic IV
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot I
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot II
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot III
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot IV
Enhancement: Cleric Charisma I
Enhancement: Cleric Charisma II
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom I
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom II
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom III
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality II
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality III
Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning I
Enhancement: Cleric Wand Mastery I
Enhancement: Cleric Wand Mastery II
Enhancement: Cleric Wand Mastery III
Enhancement: Cleric Wand Mastery IV

Going to roll the halfling more than likely. If you have any ideas or places i mixed please let me know as i haven't used the tomes yet. thanks in advance

[Impaqt]

Is 75 or so spell points really worth giving up the capstone?

Except for the sorc level, I like the Halfling build.. I dont think you'll need Empower Healing at 18 though...

[bobbryan2]

Is 75 or so spell points really worth giving up the capstone?

Except for the sorc level, I like the Halfling build.. I dont think you'll need Empower Healing at 18 though...

Why do you not think empowered healing is worth it?

Is 50% more healing not worth 4 extra spell points?

[Zenako]

But with Empower and Maximize as well, the only spell affected would be HEAL and in general those are overheals much of the time, so adding more overhealing is not useful.

IF the plan is to turn off Empower, except for those few circumstances where you are casting spells like BB a bunch, then it makes more sense, but most of the time clerics are not focused on hot swapping metas around to optimize spell point cost. Takes too much time in a triage situation.

[Mentos3111]

Well, reason I don't have empower healing on this planned halfling or my current cleric is due to feat restrictions. the other reason is I can run around with max emp on constantly and toss heal with no extra spell point cost, it doesn't heal more but i don't have to click the feat icons constantly. I think that is a good point though there is a point of overkill with emp max and emp healing , maybe toughness since they nerfing mino helm?

[Perceval]

I guess since it is a heal bot strength should not matter, just dont be to upset when you are constantly encumbered and can't keep up with a Zerging Party

[totmacher]

1 sorc with new creatures with possibly higher SR and whether they might add capped spells (like storm of vengeance) at some point is a bad idea

[Impaqt]

Why do you not think empowered healing is worth it?

Is 50% more healing not worth 4 extra spell points?

4 Extra Spell Points plus 10 action points.....

I assume your taking the sorc level for extra spell points, with l20 around the corner, we should easily break 2000 spell points on a baisc build, wouldnt surprise me to see 2200+ out of a Sorc Splashed cleric....

HEAL should be hitting for 285 points all by itself. That enough to bring most character up to full health from 1/2 to 1/4 life. Plus you get some crits in there, Plus many folks have Improved healing enhancments of some shape or form.

It may only be 4 spell ponts, but whqat good is 1.5x healing if the .5 is jsut overheal anyway?

[Impaqt]

maybe toughness since they nerfing mino helm?

Definitly NOT a nerf, Minos should never of given an actual Feat.

[The_Phenx]

Honestly.

You would be FAR better served by taking dragonmarks for your feats then mental toughness's. You can use all metamagic's on them for free...extend really isnt very necessary...neither is empower... especially if your trying to be a healbot.

As far as the sorc splash... meh... dragonmarks grant oh what 1000+ sp woth of healing for free... dont need the splash at that point... remember too these first capstones are not the ONLY ones that are coming.. just the first.

[Lymnus]

End game, 16 Cleric seems to best 15 Cleric/1 Sorc.

Most people tend to believe the current cleric capstone is, well, ****. But, if you want to plan ahead for it, they have noted they will be adding more capstones for each class.

Now, at end game, that 1 level of sorc really seems to be a 'drop in the bucket' instance.

I'd suggest going human to make up for this missing feat, and changing stats to 18 Wis/16 Con/Rest charisma. You'll be able to leave your STR/DEX/INT at 8, and unless you're really worried about dragonmarks, Halflings don't have much on humans.

You'll eventually drop IMT, if not both MT/IMT when you get shroud items. Consider dropping IMT, it doesn't give enough SP to warrant a feat.

Suggestion for feats, endgame healbot, would be Empower Healing, Maximize, Quicken, Extend, and the two Spell Pens. Now, as a healbot, you may disagree with the spell pens, and use of empower healing over empower. Blade barriers and such do well enough with just Maximize, and shouldn't be a problem. There will be times that you'll want to throw a greater command rather than a heal, because it'll just be more mana efficient. If you do go with Human, bonus feat is Heighten.

[Riorik]

I'd agree on strength. No way it's a priority, but you're going to have to do something about it to avoid encumbrance problems.

There are LOTS of ways to have a survivable character (healbot included) - twitch, spells, equipment, aggro avoidance, etc etc.

I prefer to expend my gaming time gathering equipment on characters OTHER than the healbot types...sure, I'll take the caster oriented raid items...it's not at all like Clerics have difficulty getting into raids.

I like a mix of stuff to help me survive - passive things like Full Plate Armor on a low dex character just because it lets me slip into "sunning myself on the beach while clicking the mouse" mode. Absurd, but the point is, you're making it more "work" and limiting yourself to requiring either a slot dedicated to a strength item...or tomes...or both just to avoid encumbrance penalties. Fact is, lack of running speed, is not a survival trait.

Try it sometime even hasted and jumping around in segment 3 of SoS (Lava) while encumbered. Plan on taking a deep dip or two.

Many healbots choose a different build template -- usually going STR up to 14 which opens up at least the option to swing a mace. Not prefered but the option exists.