Top 5 Darwin Tactics

[maddmatt70]

Lol @ your pic man. Haven't been in the shroud on khyber yet but if this is what you guys do then i'm glad i haven't ran a shroud there.

Shrug a bard can fight with and heal 1 favored enemy ranger on the elemental in the se all the three other mobs in the E to NE where the cleric or clerics are. Yes I know casters can solo the elemental, but not all pug casters can and the idiot proof solution is better then the non idiot one.. I invited I think it was you into a shroud once upon a time but you said you were not flagged. You were a level 14 sorc. Could have been wrong about whether that was you but get off your but and run one would you.

[Anastasios]

Shrug a bard can fight with and heal 1 favored enemy ranger on the elemental in the se all the three other mobs in the E to NE where the cleric or clerics are. Yes I know casters can solo the elemental, but not all pug casters can and the idiot proof solution is better then the none idiot one.. I invited I think it was you into a shroud once upon a time but you said you were not flagged. You were a level 14 sorc. Could have been wrong about whether that was you but get off your but and run one would you.

Sense and sensibility...well thought out lines deserving of being applauded...

We only ask our caster to help after agro has been established, and of course go up and ***** the crytal....because we don't like wasting time moving from our SC locale right to the chests and into part 3...which is another way to shave time off.

Add in the fact that most of our bards don't really care for healing, why bother when their dps is helping take out some trash red names?

You're getting there but your server is behind the curve on this one and the people whom have you believe that these are well thought out tactics are off their teets.

Kind of like the first time I joined a Shroud on Khyber and they thought I was lying when I said the initial portal is on timer, when they thought it was based upon whether or not you kill all the trash in the beginning and spawn the first portal to be beat down...

And the winner is??

[Amabel]

Shrug a bard can fight with and heal 1 favored enemy ranger on the elemental in the se all the three other mobs in the E to NE where the cleric or clerics are. Yes I know casters can solo the elemental, but not all pug casters can and the idiot proof solution is better then the non idiot one.. I invited I think it was you into a shroud once upon a time but you said you were not flagged. You were a level 14 sorc. Could have been wrong about whether that was you but get off your but and run one would you.

Bah, all the good rangers have splashed a level of rogue and monk, have an AC of 75 and can use heal scrolls with almost no fail. You know that Matt!

Don't come to Khyber if you want babysitting in the Shroud. Although if you're new, just let us know and we'll take care of you.

[Slink]

I dont want to hear anything from this joker.
For a guy that brags all day long about how awesome his intimitank is then hides out in the tree in southwest/shroud part2 while 1/2 the party is slaughtered.

Whatever.

Then he comments, "They'll come to me"

Sure they will.

[Amabel]

And the winner is??

KHYBER.

Where the average Shroud, even in a messy PUG, is sub 40 minutes.

Have fun hanging with the gimps and stay out of our forums.

[maddmatt70]

Bah, all the good rangers have splashed a level of rogue and monk, have an AC of 75 and can use heal scrolls with almost no fail. You know that Matt!

Well that is true. They don't get hit too much.. the bard fights the whole time only said that if the ranger needs to get hit with a heal scroll the bard will hit him with it.. Some rangers are lazy folk what can I say.

[Mithran]

I agree with most of your post, but take exception to this one. When I'm on my cleric, you have two choices:

1) Receive healing as I deem necessary, or
2) Heal thyself.

Until I start asking you for money, you have absolutely no say in what I cast, when I cast it, and whether it came from a mana pool or a scroll. If I want to stand there and drop 100 heal scrolls on you while you're at 100% health, then I'm going to do that... you're just going to have to deal with it.

Your complaint is valid for clerics that complain about the cost of being a cleric, but not for those of us who don't.

/signed

I had a guy who was our designated tank in Reaver (a long time ago, now) who actually yelled at me for casting a scrolled Heal on him. That was about when I resolved never to run a Cleric with that guild, again.

[lifestaker]

Or to the one that goes to a portal by him/herself and starts beating on it to show how uber they are.

It is not showing how good or better you are. I do it on my fighter for 2 reasons; one being madstone is fun and if you get to a portal before the piking caster who is crying over his poor spellpen then you get a free madstone rage from the trogs, second being to test oneself and make it ezer for the masses.
If you go to run to a portal and get told to skip it and go on to the next because it is already gone, did I just make it harder for your game play or just harder for you to like your tank?

[Kintro]

This is to all the melee characters who think it's their job in Shroud part 1 to roam when there are/is caster/s in the group: Your kill count in the Shroud disproves the uberness you are so desperately seeking.

heh, if only all the casters I am unfortunate enough to PUG with were competent enough to finger a few trogs. After suggesting it once I'll just take my melees ahead and do their job for them.

[geoffhanna]

Prepping is regards to placement of mobs...1 agro's from SC...here is a rough diagram <snip>

This is the Sarlona method. There is usually one cleric with the shield wall and one with whoever has the devil/orthon/lion. The other group gets a bard or ranger or whatever. An arcane puts a firewall on the shield wall to get agro while the other monsters are prepped. It would be tough to solo cleric this.

When someone does something wrong, it is usually on the shield wall.

[Anastasios]

KHYBER.

Where the average Shroud, even in a messy PUG, is sub 40 minutes.

Have fun hanging with the gimps and stay out of our forums.

Aww, last Shroud I joined on Khyber took almost 50 min's...don't tell me even in a messy pug, because you are still failing on a messy pug with out the right backbone carrying that pug...you would do better to verse your words a bit more exact. Sub 40 is not a messy pug, that is having enough people to carry the deadweight...We average 30-35 mins when this is the case, and we also average 20-25 mins with a stacked group while looting...In the Shroud I was in last, based on who I knew in party and whatnot, then I would say we have over 10 mins on you and your methods...

Now tell me, since I like dishing and taking it, what makes you believe that I would listen to what you've said without commentary back at you....

Makes no sense, I guess your words are about as tactless as what you deem proper in the Shroud considering, you're getting all EMO over someone with alot of experience telling you and giving you pointers that would definitely help you along your ways?

Seems like I hit a nerve, maybe you should pipe down before you look like more of a ***** by giving false misconceptions to others who may be reading this. Face it, there are better methods out there, I've already seen my ideas from Argo on Khyber, tell me what have you contributed because it sure isn't your Pro Pt 2 methods...

[Strakeln]

and hey its not my money if you or anyone else want to drop that many heal scrolls on me unecessarily then be my quest(unless of course I paid for them lol)

Excellent, we see eye to eye then.

I have a consumables addiction, it's bad... very bad. Just let me waste my heal scrolls and haste potions and leave me alone

[Strakeln]

Lol @ your pic man. Haven't been in the shroud on khyber yet but if this is what you guys do then i'm glad i haven't ran a shroud there.

lol... it is the Khyber method!

Surprisingly enough, it actually does work well... very well. If the person taking care of the ele is worth their salt, they need no healing or minimal healing at most. So it still works perfectly fine for a 1-healer party.

Try it out sometime, it really does work, though I will admit it looks quite silly on paper.

[Kintro]

This is the Sarlona method. There is usually one cleric with the shield wall and one with whoever has the devil/orthon/lion. The other group gets a bard or ranger or whatever. An arcane puts a firewall on the shield wall to get agro while the other monsters are prepped. It would be tough to solo cleric this.

When someone does something wrong, it is usually on the shield wall.

Similar to how we do it except we shield wall in the west cubby. Fire ele in the back of the cubby, Gnoll at the tree west of cubby (run around tree until time to drop), lion/orthon/devil at tree just outside cubby. Drop them in rough order: Orthon, Devil, Gnoll, Troll, Orc, Trog, Kobold, Earth, Lion/Fire.

[maddmatt70]

Similar to how we do it except we shield wall in the west cubby. Fire ele in the back of the cubby, Gnoll at the tree west of cubby (run around tree until time to drop), lion/orthon/devil at tree just outside cubby. Drop them in rough order: Orthon, Devil, Gnoll, Troll, Orc, Trog, Kobold, Earth, Lion/Fire.

You guys like shields too much.. I hate em.. Sell them to the vendor first chance I get..

[HeavenlyCloud]

Shrug a bard can fight with and heal 1 favored enemy ranger on the elemental in the se all the three other mobs in the E to NE where the cleric or clerics are. Yes I know casters can solo the elemental, but not all pug casters can and the idiot proof solution is better then the non idiot one.. I invited I think it was you into a shroud once upon a time but you said you were not flagged. You were a level 14 sorc. Could have been wrong about whether that was you but get off your but and run one would you.

The problem with this tactic is you waste a couple of second going from the North to the south, sure you all are used to that tactic and might do it very fast but i still think its faster to just use south central. It's been awhile since the last time i've seen a caster solo an elemental, i still like more the 3-4 extended firewalls on the crystal and then nuking everything in south central.

I know what you are trying to say about the elemental but if they can solo there they sure can solo near south central just like Anastasios's pic showed.

And yes most likely i was that level 14 caster won't run a shroud in quite sometime on khyber, still only level 14 and not in a hurry to level up or start grinding the shroud on another server.

Also i'd like to say give it a try with everything south central the first couple of times might be a little messy but i guarantee you that once you got it down, you will see it is a little faster.

[Kintro]

You guys like shields too much.. I hate em.. Sell them to the vendor first chance I get..

Figure of speech ... rarely are shields used ... or walls ... we suck at making them.

[Kintro]

Also i'd like to say give it a try with everything south central the first couple of times might be a little messy but i guarantee you that once you got it down, you will see it is a little faster.

Why not west cubby? Same method but more distance for them to get back to the middle.

[Anastasios]

lol... it is the Khyber method!

Surprisingly enough, it actually does work well... very well. If the person taking care of the ele is worth their salt, they need no healing or minimal healing at most. So it still works perfectly fine for a 1-healer party.

Try it out sometime, it really does work, though I will admit it looks quite silly on paper.

All I'm saying try the method I showed and see what happens...you are extending via radius versus straight lining an area blocked off by walls...if you feel it's no better than by all means whatever...by the time you drag all the mobs to the NE, you will notice that half of your mobs in SC are already dead...Fire/Earth Ele is always NE of cleric, Orc/Kob always due E, Orth/Bez/Dev always S, and Trog/Gnoll/Troll is always W of the cleric....You can move them to spot right off the bat of SC...just assign one name to each mob to pull the mob to specifc area as soon as all 4 are SC.

[HeavenlyCloud]

Why not west cubby? Same method but more distance for them to get back to the middle.

More running less dps = wasted seconds.