Mod 9 Monk Weapon Fix?

[Delacroix21]

Eladrin, is there any chance the Dev's can take a look at monk weapon options in Mod 9? Currently monk's weapon selection is the worst in the game (even worse then wizards) as we have no access to piercing weapons (daggers cant count because we lose all monk benefits, may as well be a great axe). Can we perhaps add daggers to the list of "centered" weapons? Because without being centered you cant really play as a monk the way you intended.


In addition, can we really think about changing the crit range or multiplier on the monk weapons? I am not asking for both, just one or the other.
Quarterstaves become= 1d6 19-20x2 or 1d6 20x3
Handwraps become= 19-20x2 or 20x3
Kamas become= 1d6 19-20x2 or 1d6 20x3
Shurikans become= 1d2 19-20x2 or 1d2 20x3


These are the only tools the monk has in his arsenal and they are all dwarfed by even the simplest of weapons (the dagger) which we cant even use with ki or stances. Which means we are the ONLY class in DDO that cant use a weapon for each DR/ type, we instead must use a transmuting weapon, which can only be a kama or quarterstaff (since no transmuting handwraps exist).


As you know crit range/multiplier plays an important part in dps (where we are lacking), and no other class in the game would willingly choose to use the weapons we are given to do damage. Our weapons need a boost, even if it means bending the DnD rules a bit, you have done it before with great crossbows etc. to make them more viable. Thats all we are looking for, more viable options with our weapons. =)

[maddmatt70]

There was a statement on Ask the Devs regarding this very issue or specifically concerning Greensteel Handwraps. What the dev said was there will be no GreenSteel Handwraps, but he said there would be rings in mod9 which add bursts and other similiar damage. Are these rings just for unarmed monks or all classes? My guess is for all classes, but with some nice monk specific ones. Anyway we will see.

[Fennario]

There was a statement on Ask the Devs regarding this very issue or specifically concerning Greensteel Handwraps. What the dev said was there will be no GreenSteel Handwraps, but he said there would be rings in mod9 which add bursts and other similiar damage. Are these rings just for unarmed monks or all classes? My guess is for all classes, but with some nice monk specific ones. Anyway we will see.

Yes I heard that as well. I just posted a little rant about it in general discussion.

I agree that we will have to wait and see.

That being sad, I'm not very happy. So my monk has to farm these rings and then give up precious item slots to add effects that every other class can craft on their weapons?

Not cool IMO.

[wiglin]

Rings = Bad Move

[maddmatt70]

Rings = Bad Move

It makes sense why they want us to grind for rings. The only good ring in game right now is the chattering ring and that is only for ac builds. Somebody levels up a new character they have to grind for the icy or dragontouched armor, shroud items and perhaps weapons (some weapons will probably be less good next mod), the new raid for rings, and three other raids the reaver raid, titan, and abbot depending on build. That is alot of grinding and time spent at end game..

Edit: My guess is there will be rings for every class just monk's rings might be more powerful..

[wiglin]

It makes sense why they want us to grind for rings. The only good ring in game right now is the chattering ring and that is only for ac builds. Somebody levels up a new character they have to grind for the icy or dragontouched armor, shroud items and perhaps weapons (some weapons will probably be less good next mod), the new raid for rings, and three other raids the reaver raid, titan, and abbot depending on build. That is alot of grinding and time spent at end game..

Edit: My guess is there will be rings for every class just monk's rings might be more powerful..

I agree Rigs will bring some good options for othe classes, but I hope that is not their answer for Monks. If so it is a bad move. I should have clarified.

ring (as a fix for monks) = bad move.

[Borror0]

Can we perhaps add daggers to the list of "centered" weapons?

I would expect Ninja Spy to do that.

In addition, can we really think about changing the crit range or multiplier on the monk weapons?

There is nothing that warrants nor justifies such a deviation from PnP rules.

If anything at all, this would actually be a bad idea from a balance perspective. AC monks would far overpowered other AC builds.

Quarterstaves become= 1d6 19-20x2 or 1d6 20x3
Handwraps become= 19-20x2 or 20x3
Kamas become= 1d6 19-20x2 or 1d6 20x3
Shurikans become= 1d2 19-20x2 or 1d2 20x3

Well, if that was to happen, the choices in red would be the ones making most sense.

Our weapons need a boost, even if it means bending the DnD rules a bit [...] to make them more viable.

How did you come to such a conclusion?

If you really care about monk, then you know they have great DPS while in 'AC mode'. It's when you actually care about dealing high DPS (or try to spec them for high DPS) that they come short. Thus, the logical conclusion is that monks need to be able to trade their AC for more DPS.

[Rekker]

Thus, the logical conclusion is that monks need to be able to trade their AC for more DPS.

So how about a new Feat, Monk Power Attack, you trade 5 AC for +5 to DMG ???

[wiglin]

Monk's do not need to trade ac for dps. Rangers and rogues can have untouchable ac and still have good dps. I play my monk more than anything currently. It is what I would call my main. Monk's need more dps without losing what we alread have. If they want us to start wearig rings, then increase the amount of healing from healing ki, and stop devotion items from increasing it. That will free up an item slot. As long as healig ki does less than a cure serious pot it's pretty useless unles I am soloing and want to be cheap.

Rangers and Paladin's both bring solid support to the party through buffs and tey have solid ac and dps. Monks need to be brought in line.

I know everyone has their own opinion about how to improve the monk. Since Monk's have a horrible crit range we will still be lacking in the dps dept. What I would like to see is at least give us transmuting handwraps. We need a nice handwrap option for a raid in mod 9 sinec we will not get greensteel. Increase the duration of our buffs, and then increase healing ki. I would not mind being able to be a front line healer and buffer with my monk, while still contributing to dps.

Again this is my opinion, but I like to see the monk forums becoming more active, mabee the dev's will see we have an interest playing monks and start giving us so mer attention.

[Borror0]

Monk's need more dps without losing what we alread have.

Sure. Why not? Let's give monk more AC, more DPS and easier access to Evasion than S&B.

Oh, wait, they already got that. Let's more them even more powerful than they were! We already have ranger/monks doing it and it's not like if those were unbalancing.

[wiglin]

Sure. Why not? Let's give monk more AC, more DPS and easier access to Evasion than S&B.

Oh, wait, they already got that. Let's more them even more powerful than they were! We already have ranger/monks doing it and it's not like if those were unbalancing.

Monks do not need more ac, just more dps. If not more dps then give us better buffs with longer duration and better healing, so we can play a support role that stacks with having a bard in the group. Mabee add a +2 to damge to the FPF buff. That alone would be a ncie increase in a raid.

[tenga]

this'll make ya think...

http://compendium.ddo.com/wiki/Feat:...Ki:_Long_Sword

[RequiemVampie]

If not Green Steel hand wraps, then monks need more. GS rings with weapon effects for monks, although it sounds cool, kinda pointless and tedious.

Not sure if it was already mentioned or not, but even in PnP, monks have more of a variety than DDO. Monks are proficient clubs, crossbows, dagger, handaxe, javelin, kama, nunchaku, quaterstaff, sai, shurikan, siagham, and slings. The 'special' monk weapons are: kama, nunchaku, quarterstaff, sai, shurikan, and siagham.
Sai & Dagger deal same damage, just different crit range and damage type.
If we use anything other than kamas, quarterstaffs, handwraps, or shurikans...we become off-center. Even though it 'says' we're proficient with something.

Even monks in movies get to use spears or swords. Why not make 'spear-fighter' a build? In Ebberon, there are the 'whirling steel monks' that are proficient with some swords. Give us katana? Or even tai-chi longswords?