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[Korvek]

Yes they can I have a Dwarven Axe with those things

No. They cannot.

Edit: Perhaps you're confusing Puncturing with Enfeebling.

[Show_me_the_Platinum]

No. They cannot.

Just like Blud weapons couldn't have vorpal, but when vorpal first came out there were vorpal light hammers, maces, warhammers, and other blud weapons. Remember the loot generator sometimes makes mistakes. I'll get a screen shot of it plus my Silver light hammer of transmuting

[Osharan_Tregarth]

Ok if there are so many things wrong with it then list them.



Yes they can I have a Dwarven Axe with those things

No. You. Don't.


If you think you do, log into game and check. We'll wait.

[bobbryan2]

So... you're asking the question... why would people want to spend a feat to do more damage?

Seriously?

[krud]

Wounding on a dwarven axe, yes. Puncturing, no.

btw look at the damage numbers for the light slashing weapons vs their oversized counterparts. it's no contest. maybe you might not need the to-hit boost, but damage-wise it pays off to wield the big weapon in your offhand. (edit - Add in +20 from strength, weapon+, and buffs)

khopesh 15x4.5 + 4x3x4.5 = 121.5 (661.5)
lsword 15x4.5 + 4x2x4.5 = 103.5 (563.5)
DwAxe 17x5.5 + 2x3x5.5 = 126.5 (586.5)
handaxe 17x3.5 + 2x3x3.5 = 80.5 (540.5)
kukri 13x2.5 + 6x2x2.5 = 62.5 (562.5)

with piercing weapons it isn't as great.
rapier 13x3.5 + 6x2x3.5 = 87.5 (587.5)
ssword 15x3.5 + 4x2x3.5 = 80.5 (540.5)
Hpick 17x3.5 + 2x4x3.5 = 87.5 (587.5)
Lpick 17x2.5 + 2x4x2.5 = 62.5 (562.5)

start considering strength and other damage modifiers and khopesh still wins.

[bobbryan2]

When they admit that a Scimy and Kukri of wounding and puncturing outdoes any Kopesh and saves you feats

*facepalm*

[hydra_ex]

Soo... many... things... wrong... with... this... where.... to... start...

1) Damage is rarely relevant when you are wounding (unless you are a dex build struggling to bypass DR)
2) W/P can only occur on a piercing weapon...
3) DPS is relevant primarily against mobs that can't be hit with stat damagers......
4) Khopesh is more DPS and therefore worth a feat, same with OTWF

I am beginning to see why there is so much anger directed your way. Honest question: Are you relatively young or being purposefully obtuse to start "fun little forum battles hooray!!"
My suggestion if these really are honest questions, is to listen to the responses - not to imply that you will continue to argue with proven facts until "they admit" something patently false.

If you werent an idiot, plat, you would look at the list that he posted below. God, you're funny!

Btw, Samadhi, I think I should try to purposely induce a flame war, just for fun

[Osharan_Tregarth]

Allright, heading back towards the (so to speak) original topic.

Ok I'll buy fighters taking it. What about Rangers, Rouges, Bards, Wizards, Sorcerers, and Barbarians taking it?

Rogues, Bards, Wizards, Sorc's... If they are a melee dps build might actually need to take oversized twf'ing, due to their lower bab's.

Capped Rangers, Barbarians, and Fighters don't need the extra help hitting things, at this point in the game.

[boldarblood]

Ok if there are so many things wrong with it then list them.



Yes they can I have a Dwarven Axe with those things

You do not have a puncturing dwarf axe, I call lies.

My melee do not need oversized 2WF to supplement hitting, so there is no reason not to be dual wielding full sized weapons like 2 khopesh. I like to min/max my melee for the most dps possible, every point you add add's up.

[boldarblood]

When they admit that a Scimy and Kukri of wounding and puncturing outdoes any Kopesh and saves you feats

oh noes this will never end, as those combinations are impossible.

[hydra_ex]

Lets even go back to your kukri and scimmy outdoes blah blah blah argument.

Last time I check, rapiers, and scimmies, required OTWF to be wielded in your offhanf w/o penalty. Also, red named creature cannot be WoPed, not matter how much you want them to. You would want more damage against bosses, and OTWF not only does that for you, but it also allows you to get better crits!* WOW!

*since you will argue, this is true because rapiers** and scimitars, the weapons with the best crit ranges, are not light weapons.

**although it can be finessed, trust me, the rapier is not a light weapon.

[krud]

Let's go back to the original premise: there are light weapons that are just as good (or almost as good) as the heavy counterparts, that wielding 2 heavy weapons, or taking the feat OTWF is not necessary.

Run the numbers and you will see the OP has got it wrong (at least when it comes to slashing weapons and khopeshes).

[Show_me_the_Platinum]

Lets even go back to your kukri and scimmy outdoes blah blah blah argument.

Last time I check, rapiers, and scimmies, required OTWF to be wielded in your offhanf w/o penalty. Also, red named creature cannot be WoPed, not matter how much you want them to. You would want more damage against bosses, and OTWF not only does that for you, but it also allows you to get better crits!* WOW!

*since you will argue, this is true because rapiers** and scimitars, the weapons with the best crit ranges, are not light weapons.

**although it can be finessed, trust me, the rapier is not a light weapon.

Read much? I never said ANYTHING about wielding a rapier in my off hand. I don't even know where you got that from. The only weapon I talked about being in your off hand was a Kukri. OTWF doesn't effect crit modifiers or threat range WOW!

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/8725/lighthammer.jpg

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/6207/dwarvenaxe.jpg

Next person that says "Kopeshes are better then Scimy I'm going to kill this thread."

[Nick_RC]

Why oh why did i even bother reading what this guy wrote. Train wreck after train wreck.

On a side note like to hear from some other 2wf (mainly barbs) that have a tough choice between Oversize and other useful feats. Next mod I can choose one of either toughness or O2WF. ATM I basically raid and 99% of the time have a bard and on elite settings I dont have to take off PA. However Im using O2wf atm. Both PA lines maxed.

Will be interesting to see what the mobs ac will be next level and see if the too hit needed will warrant taking oversize. At the moment Im leaning towards toughness as those extra hp will be handy 'fat' for the vicious effects. What are others in the same boat thinking?

And before people start saying if u miss on a barb u need to reroll - dont bother.

[Nick_RC]

Read much? I never said ANYTHING about wielding a rapier in my off hand. I don't even know where you got that from. The only weapon I talked about being in your off hand was a Kukri. OTWF doesn't effect crit modifiers or threat range WOW!

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/8725/lighthammer.jpg

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/6207/dwarvenaxe.jpg

Next person that says "Kopeshes are better then Scimy I'm going to kill this thread."

Platinum if ur on argo i think its a good idea if I log on and u show that too me in person for verification. Or somebody on any server cos ur gonna get alot of BS calls.

Edit : And P.S theres nothing special about that transmuter. Its a prefix not a suffix like you said.

[Osharan_Tregarth]

Next person that says "Kopeshes are better then Scimy I'm going to kill this thread."

Khopesh are better than scimitars.

[Trillea]

Khopeshes are better than Scimy.

[Nick_RC]

Got some pros from ghalanda checking it out

[boldarblood]

Platinum if ur on argo i think its a good idea if I log on and u show that too me in person for verification. Or somebody on any server cos ur gonna get alot of BS calls.

level 14 weapon would be more than +8 wouldn't it?

[Nick_RC]

level 14 weapon would be more than +8 wouldn't it?

In all honesty im not sure.

I knw Caster items are generall;y higher + values.

Just logged on and i got a +5 Transmuting scimy of shattermantle min lvl 14 thats +10, but also a vorp scimy of enfeebling thats min lvl 14 thats a +8...