Nerf cleric BAB to save headaches in parties / raids ?

[Zuldar]

touche, sir.

for red names you just run them through aformentioned bladebarriers

That is a good option yes, but then it comes down to the age old matter of burst dps vs sustained dps. You never run out of swings, but can easily run out of sp.

[Hobgoblin]

That is a good option yes, but then it comes down to the age old matter of burst dps vs sustained dps. You never run out of swings, but can easily run out of sp.

in all reality i agree with you, just ****ed off at people trying to pigonhole clerics. I like having options with characters, so i dont mind bcs as long as we dont wipe

[Fenrisulven6]

why would you beat on a mob for a minute when you can just destruct them and move on?

I know why. They've done the cleric caster thing and are bored with it. I'm starting to see it myself. Mine is max spec'd for greater command. Most mobs are on their face when I want. It gets old. A few of the tanks asked me to not do it so much because it made them feel like hired help.

Sometimes you just need to hit stuff. And you want it to move around while you kill it.

...okay I'm starting to scare myself now.

[Kintro]

1.) too many of them seem to think that one level of fighter turns them into a meele. (they dont use divine power)

Don't forget dwarven axe/elven+cleric longsword enhancements. Those can help a lot.

2.) why would you beat on a mob for a minute when you can just destruct them and move on?

Cooldown from destructing the guys behind him

I miss content where destruction/greater command worked

[Zuldar]

in all reality i agree with you, just ****ed off at people trying to pigonhole clerics. I like having options with characters, so i dont bcs as long as we dont wipe

An option to consider would be to implement the second wind feature from 4th edition. Everyone would then have some means of self-healing, which would then decrease the necessity of a healbot tagging along.

[Jay203]

what will lowering their BaB accomplish?
one shot of Divine Power and they're back to FULL BAB anyway o_O

[DoctorWhofan]

This is probably going to tick some people off but I don't care. I have capped cleric and working on 2nd I have been playing since launch. They need to nerf cleric base attack bonus as well as the spells that boost it to cap(madstone boots ect). yes fregging madstone boots, cleric with madstone rage what a great idea in a raid.

reason's:

There is no other solid healing class other than cleric. Cleric is healing role. So when a group has lfm up for cleric they are wanting a healer not another melee.

If you build a battle cleric(is there such a thing?) I am sorry but this has to be done. There is no logical reason for a cleric to be melee'n pit feind or sally in vod. If you think I am off base make a rog that can't do traps and see how people react. Make a dex based ac barbarian.

It is ridiculus that it hasn't been fixed before it came to the level that it is at. I am tired of needing a cleric and getting a melee, or having a cleric let all the **** fall on my plate so they can melee.

I know the game is based on you can make anything anything. The cleric is flawed, reduce thier base attack bonus to that of a caster and remove the buffs that cap thier base attack bonus. I think they should give one to a rog to cap a melee not a fregging cleric.


I don't really care if you want to battle cleric learn to heal. you want to melee make one. Don't join groups raids and get annoyed when they want you to actually heal.

This is not a complaint or recent event it is never ending, mind boggling stupidity.

errr... NO.

Not ever.

Take my flexibity away from my healing cleric????? NO!

[miceelf88]

This is so silly.

Other people don't play their clerics the way I want them to. So turbine should change the rules to make them play it my way. Right.

if the so-called battle clerics are as dumb as you imply, they'll just keep pounding (or should I say whiffing) away with their mage-style BAB. missing 95% of the time won't dissuade them...

[Mhykke]

I have pretty big expectations for this thread........

[Jendrak]

Because you don't like clerics that fight and heal or because you had a bad experience with a BAD CLERIC you want them to change a core class that nothings wrong with?

Doesn't make any sense to me and apperantly the majority of the people who read it and responded. Just relax adn have a beer or take youe meds or what ever you do to calm down and try again later.

[DoctorWhofan]

I have pretty big expectations for this thread........

Like what kind of expectations?

[QuintonReece]

Yes, please continue to flame.

[bobbryan2]

Ok... but you've also gotta take monk BAB down to 1/2 so they stop meleeing too.

Then you've got a deal.

[DoctorWhofan]

To be fair, let's do it right.

This is probably going to tick some people off but I don't care.

not really. Got alot of people shaking their heads though.

I have capped cleric and working on 2nd I have been playing since launch. They need to nerf cleric base attack bonus as well as the spells that boost it to cap(madstone boots ect). yes fregging madstone boots, cleric with madstone rage what a great idea in a raid.

Ok, so you had an idiot fora battlecleric. Had acouple of those.

reason's:

There is no other solid healing class other than cleric. Cleric is healing role. So when a group has lfm up for cleric they are wanting a healer not another melee.

True, we are the most powerful healers in the game bar none. But that is not our only job. Heck we BUFF too! And Kill undead pretty good, andthe living quite well. I haven't gotto the melee part yet. After three years of PuGging, I have learned to ask for a HEALER, and choose the classes bard and cleric. Usually I AM the cleric.

If you build a battle cleric(is there such a thing?) yes there is.

I am sorry but this has to be done. There is no logical reason for a cleric to be melee'n pit feind or sally in vod.

Ifthey can do it fine. But my cleric isn't gunna heal him, he can heal himself. In fact I have seen it.

If you think I am off base make a rog that can't do traps and see how people react.
Make a dex based ac barbarian.

Both of these exist and nobody is crying. Assassin build and besides two levels of Rogue and you are good for most of the traps in the game. In fact that is the one you need to complain about, thir broken. As for the Barbarians, seen a couple ofthose running around too. Not common, mind you, but common enough to see once a week.

It is ridiculus that it hasn't been fixed before it came to the level that it is at. I am tired of needing a cleric and getting a melee, or having a cleric let all the **** fall on my plate so they can melee.

They haven't fixed it cuz it's not broke. That is straight out of the 3.5 PHB. If you want, I can get the page numbers but I can guess it's in the first thirty pages of the book.

I know the game is based on you can make anything anything. The cleric is flawed, reduce thier base attack bonus to that of a caster and remove the buffs that cap thier base attack bonus. I think they should give one to a rog to cap a melee not a fregging cleric.

The cleric is not flawed. No, becausethere are days I swing at things, and at low levels my healing clerics can solo. So no.


I don't really care if you want to battle cleric learn to heal. you want to melee make one. Don't join groups raids and get annoyed when they want you to actually heal.

you all should have left the raid, disbanded and reformed without the cleric. If he asks why, tell him to take off the boots, he should know battleclerics are not needed unlessthere are two clerics at the ready. To nerf the whole class for idiots is wrong.

This is not a complaint or recent event it is never ending, mind boggling stupidity.

it's called a rant.

Sorry, no. While I don't like battleclerics, I know enough to make one that can be the main heal as needed. So the idea is wrong.

[Anthios888]

lol

[Aranticus]

This is probably going to tick some people off but I don't care. I have capped cleric and working on 2nd I have been playing since launch. They need to nerf cleric base attack bonus as well as the spells that boost it to cap(madstone boots ect). yes fregging madstone boots, cleric with madstone rage what a great idea in a raid.

reason's:

There is no other solid healing class other than cleric. Cleric is healing role. So when a group has lfm up for cleric they are wanting a healer not another melee.

If you build a battle cleric(is there such a thing?) I am sorry but this has to be done. There is no logical reason for a cleric to be melee'n pit feind or sally in vod. If you think I am off base make a rog that can't do traps and see how people react. Make a dex based ac barbarian.

It is ridiculus that it hasn't been fixed before it came to the level that it is at. I am tired of needing a cleric and getting a melee, or having a cleric let all the **** fall on my plate so they can melee.

I know the game is based on you can make anything anything. The cleric is flawed, reduce thier base attack bonus to that of a caster and remove the buffs that cap thier base attack bonus. I think they should give one to a rog to cap a melee not a fregging cleric.


I don't really care if you want to battle cleric learn to heal. you want to melee make one. Don't join groups raids and get annoyed when they want you to actually heal.

This is not a complaint or recent event it is never ending, mind boggling stupidity.

i would take a battle cleric any day any time into my parties. dun blame the class, blame the player. i run with alot of builds out there and will get anyone in for the role they are applying for. if a bard applies as a melee. i expect him to fight, not to just sing and look pretty. if a fighter applies as a healer, i expect him to heal. class icons mean nothing

that said, if a battle cleric applies to be a healer and just fights not heal, hes going into my list

[Aranticus]

touche, sir.

for red names you just run them through aformentioned bladebarriers

because they have evasion

[Deadz]

This is probably going to tick some people off but I don't care. I have capped cleric and working on 2nd I have been playing since launch. They need to nerf cleric base attack bonus as well as the spells that boost it to cap(madstone boots ect). yes fregging madstone boots, cleric with madstone rage what a great idea in a raid.

reason's:

There is no other solid healing class other than cleric. Cleric is healing role. So when a group has lfm up for cleric they are wanting a healer not another melee.

If you build a battle cleric(is there such a thing?) I am sorry but this has to be done. There is no logical reason for a cleric to be melee'n pit feind or sally in vod. If you think I am off base make a rog that can't do traps and see how people react. Make a dex based ac barbarian.

It is ridiculus that it hasn't been fixed before it came to the level that it is at. I am tired of needing a cleric and getting a melee, or having a cleric let all the **** fall on my plate so they can melee.

I know the game is based on you can make anything anything. The cleric is flawed, reduce thier base attack bonus to that of a caster and remove the buffs that cap thier base attack bonus. I think they should give one to a rog to cap a melee not a fregging cleric.


I don't really care if you want to battle cleric learn to heal. you want to melee make one. Don't join groups raids and get annoyed when they want you to actually heal.

This is not a complaint or recent event it is never ending, mind boggling stupidity.

Or they could just cancel your subscription to save me a headache

[Samadhi]

The one main rule of character creation in dnd is if you can build it, you can do it. Anything like this that goes against pnp and harms diversity is a poor choice to make.

Instead of trying to pigeon-hole people into particular builds they should add more options to increase our choices. Otherwise we might as well be playing WoW.

well said sir

[Arianrhod]

This isn't WoW, it's D&D Online. Clerics are what they are, with BAB, spells and proficiencies as per the 3.5 D&D rules. One of the things that makes this game great is the ability to build a character however you want to play it - battle cleric, healbot, or whatever. Rather than tinkering with basic character design to try to keep people from making battle clerics, it would be more productive to advocate for the ability to choose an icon that matches your playstyle (melee, healer, archer, etc.), rather than whatever class you have the most levels of. Alternatively (or in addition), the LFM interface could be upgraded to allow parties to advertise for "healers" rather than "clerics", "tanks" rather than "fighters", etc.

[edit - oh, and thanks for this. Been a while since we've had an "I h8 Battleclerics" thread to vent on ]