crit damage

[dwensel7]

quick info question i am curious about.
im wondering what kinda of damage do barbs do on crit hits of the pit fiend? GS great axe or what ever you like.
My ranger/fighter is swinging either my one maxed out GS dwarven axe (min 2), and a +4 trans. Dwar. axe of pure good. or duel +4 transmuter of pure good. i crit for between 160-190 on the GS and 140-160 on the transmuters. Since i never made a barb i was curious about what kind of damage they do when they crit.
not braggin or anything like that. just curious.
Also wondering what they kinda damage they do on the portals... since i cant see what others do im curious as to how my weapons do.
thanks for any responses.

[gfunk]

Its pretty easy to figure out what sort of numbers people are likely seeing for max crits with great axes. Here's what goes into the range:

great axe is 3d6+5, giving a maximum before modifiers of 23 points.

most barbs probably rage up to somewhere approximately between ~46 to 56 str (depending on gear), giving a two hand str damage bonus of +27 to +34ish. I'll assume that everyone has poewr attack,

so: (+8 )to (+11 for wf)
Edit forgot to double for 2hf so +16 to +22
they might also have some gear/abilities that gives extra damage such as:

-bloodstone or maralith chain(+6)
-tharnes goggles (+8 when sneak attacking)
-guile (+8 if a halfling)

and some combination of buffs which could include:
prayer (+1)
inspire courage (+7)

Total range is from +35 (no buffs or extra equipment) to +79 in an ideal world (halfling starts with 16 max str). Add in base weapon damage and multiply by 3: giving a range of maximum hit damage from 174 with no buffs to 306 fully buffed (with double madstone, scourge choker). I guess you could squeeze out a bit more with an alchemical str pot and an exceptional bonus to str (for another 9 points of crit damage giving a maximum theoretical crit of somethng like 315)
I might have missed something minor here or there, but that should be pretty close to max I think.

[Sweyn]

im curious at how you can achieve 56 str. Im not saying its not possible.. just would like a breakdown

[tihocan]

im curious at how you can achieve 56 str. Im not saying its not possible.. just would like a breakdown

Take base + level up + enhancement bonus + barb rage with power rage + exceptional bonus + double madstone + rage spell + scourge choker + 3 tome and you should get around there.
The scourge choker is hard to use effectively thouhg, I find most of the time the extra strength is wasted by the attack rate slowdown.

[Renegade66]

Depends on Bard and other buffs, plus Dwarves do more dmg with axes, but my THF human barbarian Blutus has a 46 str (no choker as they are only good for casters) and crits pretty high. Min II Greataxe gets 4-5 red numbers with the first being in the 220s (so 250+). Bloodstone is important as is Tharnes Googles for the Sneak Attack bonus.

If you like the big numbers THF is cool, but for DPS you cannot beat a TWF. My TWF barbarian Jellybean way out DPS's Blutus with his twin Min II Heavy Picks. Both of those guys are put to shame though by my human str based tempest ranger Guilloteen. Favored enemy is a huge plus in addition to the attack speed increase. I haven't seen the need for Min II khopeshes yet. I just use a +2 Transmuting Khopesh of Greater Evil Outsider Bane and a +4 Transmuting Khopesh of Evil Outsider Bane. Again, Bloodstone and Goggles ftw. It's pretty nasty attacking about twice as fast as a THF barbarian with multiple red numbers and the first topping 200 at times.

[Thrudh]

It's pretty nasty attacking about twice as fast as a THF barbarian with multiple red numbers and the first topping 200 at times.

Wow... first number tops 200 at times?

Man, I thought my THF barbarian was actually pretty decent. I've spent a LOT of time and plat getting him as good as I can (I'm guessing he's gotta be pretty good for a THF since his numbers match your THF guy pretty closely).

I guess I never realized how powerful GTWF and favored enemy is... Rangers can break 200 (on a crit) on the first red number on a one-handed weapon???

Sheesh....

I'd respec my guy, but he was built long ago, and would need a +4 dex tome AND use his 20th level up to get to 17 Dex...

And I just can't reroll him... I've spent a LOT of time on him.... Hopefully Frenzied Berzerker will even the gap some...

[Renegade66]

im curious at how you can achieve 56 str. Im not saying its not possible.. just would like a breakdown

I've been to 55 str without a +3 STR Tome. My carrying capacity topped out at about 150 tons or approximately the weight of a Blue Whale. The Scourge Choker is a novelty though for melee. I use it all the time on my WF Wizard though. The extra HPs are nice and the slow down only affects attack speed and not movement rate.

[Thrudh]

My dwarf barbarian uses a Min II greataxe... Power Attack III, Max Strength (+3 tome, +6 item, triple-raged, barbarian rage, but no scourge choker) and bloodstone...

First red number on crits is in the 210-230 range... then plus all the other numbers...

If you're hitting 160-190 with a one-handed dwarven axe, that's very good. I'm assuming that's all your numbers totalled... or is that just your first red number? (In which case I bow before you)

[dwensel7]

My dwarf barbarian uses a Min II greataxe... Power Attack III, Max Strength (+3 tome, +6 item, triple-raged, barbarian rage, but no scourge choker) and bloodstone...

First red number on crits is in the 210-230 range... then plus all the other numbers...

If you're hitting 160-190 with a one-handed dwarven axe, that's very good. I'm assuming that's all your numbers totalled... or is that just your first red number? (In which case I bow before you)

thats just the first red number on a crit. since we cat see what type of damage other do i was just curious.
i never have totalled the crits for all the additional damage.

REN i have two capped rangers. one pure and one (reorex) ranger /fighter. they both are maxed strg. and have bloodstones. so they do crit alot. but with reorex haveing the improved crit (fighter enhanc) i think he crits alot more. i didnt have a plan to make a thf at this point. Mostly im was wondering for the information for later use.
thanks for the replys guys