Hafling thrower build

[Show_me_the_Platinum]

I was trying something out and it seemed to work so far.

A PURE fighter halfing that specialized in throwing weapons.

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Level 16 Lawful Good Halfling Female
(16 Fighter) 
Hit Points: 270
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 16\16\21\26\26
Fortitude: 12
Reflex: 11
Will: 5

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
Abilities        (Level 1)          (Level 16)           (Level 16)
Strength             16                 17                   20
Dexterity            16                 19                   21
Constitution         12                 12                   12
Intelligence         10                 10                   10
Wisdom                8                  8                    8
Charisma              8                  8                    8

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 16)
Balance               5                    14.5
Bluff                -1                    -1
Concentration         1                     1
Diplomacy            -1                    -1
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle               -1                    -1
Heal                 -1                    -1
Hide                  3                     7
Intimidate           -1                    -1
Jump                  7                    26
Listen               -1                     1
Move Silently         3                     7
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Repair                0                     0
Search                0                     0
Spot                 -1                    -1
Swim                  3                     5
Tumble                n/a                   n/a
Use Magic Device     n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Quick Draw
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Halfling Thrown Weapon Damage I


Level 2 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Thrown Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I


Level 3 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Mastery I
Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity I


Level 4 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Mobility
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Halfling Thrown Weapon Attack I


Level 5 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)


Level 6 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Precise Shot
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Shot on the Run
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II


Level 7 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost III
Enhancement: Halfling Thrown Weapon Damage II


Level 8 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Thrown Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy III
Enhancement: Fighter Throwing Axe Specialization I


Level 9 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity II


Level 10 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Thrown Weapons
Enhancement: Halfling Thrown Weapon Attack II


Level 11 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy IV


Level 12 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Precise Shot
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost IV
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I


Level 13 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)


Level 14 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Thrown Weapons


Level 15 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Halfling Thrown Weapon Damage III
Enhancement: Fighter Strength III


Level 16 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Thrown Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Throwing Axe Specialization II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II

What you do with this one is you pick one mob in a fight, and just start throwing at it. This is a build where you have to be aware of the terrain you're fighting on. Multiple times when I started out with this build I got myself trapped because I was running in a widening circle and ran into a bookshelf or something and got stuck. I also would run into other mobs and get surrounded which is where jump comes in. So far the only quest I've had problems with are the tube quests (i.e. Enter the kolbold) while medium size tubes seem to be alright (i.e. Monastery of the Scorpion) things seem to run smoothly.

The one thing you CAN NOT do with this build is stand around and throw. You have to keep moving, forwards backwards sideways as long as you keep as much distance between you and the mob you're good.

This is a 28 point build so everyone should be able to get it. If you have a 32 point build there are two routes you can go. I went this way +2 Int +2 cha for UMD to bypass the alignment and race restriction of throwing weapons. the simple reason was crafting wasn't available when I started this build, so I was thinking of race restriction being the key to getting the better weapons.

The other route, which is better since crafting came along is +2 Dex. You dump 3 stat adjustments into Str then and 1 into Dex, and another 1 when you hit 20.

The best tactic for this build is also turn improve piercing shot on and leave it. Only take it off in quests like Sleeping Dust. Target the mob in the back of the group (casters over non-casters) and maneuver so the most mobs are between you and your target. I can normally get 4 out of 5 in a throw most of the time. Be forewarned though. Most people wont like you pulling agro off them. You might not get the main person they are hitting, but you'll get the ones around them.

Reasons I didn't cross class
Rouge: You're going to have agro on you for most of the time, so sneak attack would have been just for the initial attack and nothing after that really.

Barbarian: Rage 1/day wasn't worth losing the additional +1 to throwing axes at 16 in my mind. plus becoming exhausted after the rage ends really hurts you if you're trying to keep on the move

Ranger: Favored enemy is the only thing they really give you. +1 to hit, damage, AC, and saves against 1 enemy type doesn't seem worth it to lose the +1 damage to all types

Major reason. Fighter capstone of 10% attack speed that stacks on items and enhancements makes throwing faster.

(btw for those that say I can't think outside the box. A fighter that doesn't run up to things and swing is outside the box)

[Jay203]

have you thought about 14/6 Fighter/Monk for a Shuriken specialist? =)
fighter haste boost + air stance + 10k stars + haste = yummy fast speed

not to mention you will have evasion, immune to disease, access to healing ki (if only they would allow ki generation with ranged =\)

[Aranticus]

you will need a higher dex simply because thrown weapons still require the dex bonus for attack

maybe you can pick up weapon finesse so that when you are not using throwers, you can still slug in the old way

haste boost will serve you better than attack boost

critical accuracy is not going to help you much, unless you kensai (see next)

not sure how kensai will be implemented but kensai III will prolly be a huge boost to your prowress (classical kensai are always melee based but nothing in ddo kensai yet)

get improved crit earlier ie L8 to maximise out efficiency

oh look for a w/p throwing dagger

[maddmatt70]

A pure ranger with the 25% ranged alacrity from the ranger capstone is better then any fighter.. go halfling level 20 ranger..

[Aspenor]

A pure ranger with the 25% ranged alacrity from the ranger capstone is better then any fighter.. go halfling level 20 ranger..

^^
What he said.

[Riot]

I did this with a Fighter Rogue Barbarian mix.

It moved fast, had evasion and sneak attack, and has Rage capability for extra damage.

Once you get improved precise shot. It's a ton of fun.

[Show_me_the_Platinum]

Why is it the people that I don't like, are the first people that posted on this thread?

[Philam]

? *scratches head*

[Show_me_the_Platinum]

have you thought about 14/6 Fighter/Monk for a Shuriken specialist? =)
fighter haste boost + air stance + 10k stars + haste = yummy fast speed

not to mention you will have evasion, immune to disease, access to healing ki (if only they would allow ki generation with ranged =\)

I did, but shruikin is 1d2 and throwing axe is 1d6.

While the haste boost would be nice, you would have to give up the attack boost or confirm crit enhancement line.

[HeavenlyCloud]

Reasons I didn't cross class
Rouge: You're going to have agro on you for most of the time, so sneak attack would have been just for the initial attack and nothing after that really.

So i got a question, Is this a solo build? cause with a party its kinda impossible that you can have agro most of the time.

[Hobgoblin]

i hate to say this, i really hate to say this, but the build looks good. decent ranged damage, decent ac possible looks like a lot of fun.

If you are using throwing axes, would you consider going dwarf? extra hp, extra ac and the ax attack and damage never hurt.

[Show_me_the_Platinum]

So i got a question, Is this a solo build? cause with a party its kinda impossible that you can have agro most of the time.

Actually. I ran into Prey on the hunter from there start where a paladin was going toe to toe with one Giant in the middle with that red named. I had a teir 3 throwing axe fire and I pulled his agro after running all the way there.

i hate to say this, i really hate to say this, but the build looks good. decent ranged damage, decent ac possible looks like a lot of fun.

If you are using throwing axes, would you consider going dwarf? extra hp, extra ac and the ax attack and damage never hurt.

Halfling +1 to hit +1 AC +2 Jump +1 to all saving throws. Plus dwarves only get 2 levels of axe damage where halfing get 3 levels of throwing weapon damage. If there were to add a third level to dwarf I could see doing this build as a dwarf though.

See I'm not just a troll, I post stuff that people actually might want to try.

[The_Phenx]

A pure ranger with the 25% ranged alacrity from the ranger capstone is better then any fighter.. go halfling level 20 ranger..

Do we know that its going to work with thrown weapons?

[HeavenlyCloud]

Actually. I ran into Prey on the hunter from there start where a paladin was going toe to toe with one Giant in the middle with that red named. I had a teir 3 throwing axe fire and I pulled his agro after running all the way there.

Any other examples with better equipped party members? Just wondering.

Like other people mentioned you are better off with ranger if you are going ranged specced, personally i think the rogue level is worth it just for the solo capabilities a build like this could have, and its not like you are gimping yourself with 1 level of rogue, ranged combat is gimped already .

[Hobgoblin]

actually op,

i was thinking of dwarf armor mastery, which can increase your max dex by three, so for example mfp on this guy would have a max dex of +9. Also, im not sure but i thought ax damage was +2 and +4. I could be wrong about that though. Plus you have the advantage that you arnt looking at a dwarf all the time with the halfing. All in all looks like you will have tons of fun with this guy.


Lets keep the comments on this thread on the build guys. The op is trying to play nice, we can too.

[Emili]

Should you get a chance, need to seek advice or possibly some throwing weapons.... send a PM to Triiilock - Rift's rogue was once a thrower spec'd halfling.

[Show_me_the_Platinum]

actually op,

i was thinking of dwarf armor mastery, which can increase your max dex by three, so for example mfp on this guy would have a max dex of +9. Also, im not sure but i thought ax damage was +2 and +4. I could be wrong about that though. Plus you have the advantage that you arnt looking at a dwarf all the time with the halfing. All in all looks like you will have tons of fun with this guy.


Lets keep the comments on this thread on the build guys. The op is trying to play nice, we can too.

Then your dropping the confirm crit and/or attack boost. I didn't even take all the levels of the fighter armor mastery.

The reason I didn't go ranger is what boost do they give the build? Favored enemy is it. Ranged weapon feats don't work on throwing weapons. Plus as a fighter you get to select a lot more feats.

[Nikorr123]

A PURE fighter halfing that specialized in throwing weapons.

[Show_me_the_Platinum]

???

[Thriand]

Rouge: You're going to have agro on you for most of the time, so sneak attack would have been just for the initial attack and nothing after that really.

You really think a thrown weapon specialist is gonna grab aggro from a fighter, rogue, or barbarian?