Potential Intimitank DPS Fighter Build

[Asketes]

Race and Class:
Human Fighter Stalwart Defender

Intention:
Effective Intimitank with respectable, but not kill count leading, DPS

LVL 16 Stats:
+2 tomes of STR, DEX, CON, & CHA eaten at LVL 1
+6 items worn for the previously mentioned stats.

STR: 32 (+4 when in defender stance)
DEX: 22
CON: 22 (+4 when in defender stance)
INT: 13
WIS: 8
CHA: 22

Predicted Beholder Hit Points:
228 - LVL 16
30 - Proof of Poison belt of Greater False Life Belt
18 - Minos Legens Helm
54 - 3 Toughness Feats
20 - 2 Fighter Toughness Enhancements
20 - 2 Fighter Racial Toughness Enhancements
Total: 370 Hit Points


Predicted Beholder AC:
Dodge and untyped bonuses stack

10 - Base
6 - Dex Bonus (enhancements allow for 6 dex bonus on both tower shield and armor)
15 - Dragontouched Plate Armor (Armor bonus)
1 - Armor Eldritch Ritual (Dodge bonus)
9 - Leviks Defender Tower Shield (Shield Bonus)
1 - Shield Eldritch Ritual (Dodge bonus)
5 - Leviks 3 part set (shield, DT armor, bracers) (Insight bonus)
5 - Protection (deflection bonus)
1 - Feat: Dodge (dodge bonus)
5 - Combat Expertise
3 - Stalwart Defender I, II, III increases (1 each, untyped)
3 - Stalwart Defender Shield Block Bonus I, II, III increases (1 each, untyped)
2 - Shield Block standard (shield bonus, stackable)
Total: 66 AC


Projected Raid Buffed AC:
Start 66 AC from previous
(some of these buffs are unknown to me which type of bonus it is, yet they seem to stack when implemented in game)

*THIS is MAX, short-term BURST AC, sustainable for only 20 Seconds at a time due to Human Versatility Boost.

4 - Human Versatility (untyped)
1 - Haste (dodge bonus)
2 - Recitation (luck bonus)
4 - Inspire Heroics (ac song)
4 - Stalwart Defender Defensive Stance Boost (Dodge)
5 - Barkskin (Natural)
5 - Bulwark of Good Palidin Aura (untyped)
Raid Buffed BURST AC: 91


Estimated Damage Reduction:
6 - 2 Feats (Shield and Improved Shield Mastery
6 - Standard when using (not blocking) with a shield (stalwart defender bonus)
15 - Leviks Defender Tower Shield
10 - Stoneskin (Mineral weapon casts stoneskin 15^10)
? - Stalwart Defender grants additional (amount unkown) DR when blocking with a shield
Total DR: 37+ unknown amount while blocking


INTIMIDATE:
(sustainable for 11 minutes, self casted GH length)

19 - Skill Points
6 - Charisma Modifier
2 - Feat: Bullheaded
3 - Feat: Skill Focus Intimidate
6 - Stalwart Defender Non-Boost
4 - Greater Heroism
13 - Ring of intimidation
4 - Enhancement: Fighter Intimidate
6 - Greensteel Cha Skills Item
TOTAL INTIMIDATE: 63

Burst Intimidate:
(20 Seconds Sustainable due to Human Versatility boost)
Start with 63 from previous
2 - Inspire Competence
4 - Human Versatility
Total BURST Intimidate: 69

I'm interested in what you guys think? What do you think is good about this build and what do you think is not good about it?

Obvisouly this isn't a kill count leader, but w/a 32str, should be able to do some damage. I've taken feats for an extra +3 to ATK rolls and +2 to damage, I like bastard swords over Kopesh (don't ask hehe) and I have taken Imp critical as well.

[Blazer]

Feat list?

[Asketes]

I was looking more for input on the AC, STR and Intim qualities.

My feat list is fine, although I can post if you want.

Let me know please!


Thanks for your time!

[Junts]

Your feat list looks terrible; 3 toughnesses?


Drop 2 int points and eat a tome; those build points are much more useful somewhere else.

If you have that many feats to burn, qualify for some kensai ranks and get more stacking +intim and twf usefulness

[Asketes]

The build is not designed for TWF, I have no desire to bump up my dex to 17 for improved or greater twf.. That's what my barbarian is for.

This is not a dps machine. I don't have an int tome, nor do I care to have one. Why don't you advise where to put the points instead of telling me to take them off? Try to make a little sense please. Telling someone to not do something and leaving out what they should do instead doesn't do much for either of us.

make sense?

and I have so many feats I ran out of stuff I wanted, so I dumped into toughness.

BTW I am full up on enhancements for Stalwart Defender I am unable to put kensai in the list, nor am I interested in it. (remember not full dps, merely semi-decent at a 32 str sword and board)

My intim is as maxed as it can be w/o pumping more into Charisma, which i'm not willing to do. Any suggestions? I have all the feats for intim, as I've previously posted.

[Asketes]

You guys request my feat list

This is a build not centered around being uber DPS, I wasn't sure whether to take greater weapon focus or force of personality for the extra 6 to my will saves.

These are obviously still in the developmental stages of character planning. BUT they work for what I am intending.

Feats:

Level 1
Comabat Expertise
Dodge
Toughness

Level 2
Exotic Weapon Bastard Sword

Level 3
Mobility

Level 4
Spring Attack

Level 5

Level 6
Toughness
Whirlwind Attack

Level 7

Level 8
Shield Mastery

Level 9
Skill Focus: Intimidate

Level 10
Improved Shield Mastery

Level 11

Level 12
Toughness
Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons

Level 13

Level 14
Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons

Level 15
Bullheaded

Level 16
Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons

I appreciate everyone who has helped thus far offering there advice. Please remember, it's a lot more helpful to me and those reading this thread to not only inform me of my mistakes, but what you would to to correct or alter in order to better this build!

Thanks guys

[Comfortably]

Well I'd say screw the basterd sword and go dwarf...more DPS with axes anyway...and a higher AC if you play ur cards right.

[Dark-Star]

Looks good from an ac and intim perspective, WF with a DoD will give you 10 more blocking DR at the cost of some intim points.

I'd say that a sword and board fighter is not decent dps, in fact I am hard pressed to think of any melee class with less dps than this.

I second the idea of fitting in gtwf for more versatility and group/raid usefulness.

[Junts]

The build is not designed for TWF, I have no desire to bump up my dex to 17 for improved or greater twf.. That's what my barbarian is for.

This is not a dps machine. I don't have an int tome, nor do I care to have one. Why don't you advise where to put the points instead of telling me to take them off? Try to make a little sense please. Telling someone to not do something and leaving out what they should do instead doesn't do much for either of us.

make sense?

and I have so many feats I ran out of stuff I wanted, so I dumped into toughness.

BTW I am full up on enhancements for Stalwart Defender I am unable to put kensai in the list, nor am I interested in it. (remember not full dps, merely semi-decent at a 32 str sword and board)

My intim is as maxed as it can be w/o pumping more into Charisma, which i'm not willing to do. Any suggestions? I have all the feats for intim, as I've previously posted.

You are planning on 4 kinds of +2 tome; trade one of them for intelligence. You never, ever need more than 13 int; however, you need as much str/con (and dex, imo, because you will not be a 'semi-effective dps' fighter w/o the addition of the twf chain; its the main reason to make a fighter intimitank over the other alternatives like paladin!). Dropping int 2 and using a tome while using those 2 build points to boost some other stat by 1 is a much better investment; essetnially, you are eating a second, stacking +1 tome for that statistic.

In fact, all you need to qualify for the twf chain is to put those 2 bp into dexterity (15 instead of 14 base, 17 with tome): then you have the option of both being excellent at combat -and- an intimitank; all it costs you is trading any of your +2 tomes for a +2 intelligence, which is extremely easy to do. Why hurt yourself so massively in the long-run over such a short-run issue?

My paladin is a s/b intimitank, and even -with- the paladin 10% alclarity, 32 str, and divine favor/might (+7 to damage) with a khopesh (much, much, much better than a bastardsword) my dps is no more than fair; you are not building a s/b fighter with any more dps than any other s/b tank: you are in fact building one with -less-.

However, a simple intelligence tome (remember tomes count for feat qualification) lets you -also- twf with the best of them and a 32 str .. again, why isn't this more desirable?


drop mobility, spring attack, whirlwind attack and 2 of yourtoughnesses and make sure you can take kensai 3: it will make you an extraordinary dps machine in dps mode (and get yourself either da's or khopeshes) for basically no loss; those feats are doing very little for you, and the kensai ranks even improve your intimidate.

[Comfortably]

PS...I'd dont feel like the Sheild mastry feats are worth it, 3 points taking up a feat slot? I'd take some of the wepon specs for slashing to increase ur DPS mode.

As for the DPS mode make a MinII Greataxe.

[EazyWeazy]

Just because you aren't planning it for DPS doesn't mean you should gimp it on purpose. A pure human fighter can fit everything you need for GTWF, intimidate feats/dragon marks, and Kensi requirements.

TWF the trash mobs or bosses that don't need to be turtled up and then pull out the tower sheild for when you do. Contribute all the time, not just in two raids.

I built a 14/2 Paladin/Fighter mix purely for Intimidation and turtling. (Hehe, the turtling made me laugh) Now I'm trying to figure out how I can go back and swap some feats to get the GTWF line included because you spend more time fighting trash mobs in non-peak AC mode than you do in peak turtle mode.

[Asketes]

no offense but I really don't know if you guys read my posts. I mean that nicely.

I have said already that I have an intimdps for my barbarian. He is greater TWF with an intim of 50. I am looking for something different.

Whats the point of being a true tank when you drop 15dr and 10ac?


Sorry to sound prude rude, I guess I was looking for some input on people who understand that I am looking to go sword and board, not persuade me otherwise. I toons that tear up that spectrum already.. Looking to go true intimitank.. Those do not do a bunch of dps.. I'm still pretty sure i'm gonna be doing more damage than those little monks who have 105 ac and can't hit squat.

and i don't want kensai, said it already. ty though

whatever. thanks for the input

sry to bother you guys lol

[Comfortably]

no offense but I really don't know if you guys read my posts. I mean that nicely.

I have said already that I have an intimdps for my barbarian. He is greater TWF with an intim of 50. I am looking for something different.

Whats the point of being a true tank when you drop 15dr and 10ac?


Sorry to sound prude I guess I was looking for some input on people who understand that I am looking to go sword and board, not persuade me otherwise. I toons that tear up that spectrum already.. Looking to go true intimitank.. Those do not do a bunch of dps.. I'm still pretty sure i'm gonna be doing more damage than those little monks who have 105 ac and can't hit squat.

and i don't want kensai, said it already. ty though

whatever. thanks for the input

sry to bother you guys lol

So you are telling me that you will ALWAYS be sb? parts 4 and 5 of shroud when fighting the pit fiend? do you relize you are not holding up to your REAL possible DPS? I have played intim tanks before and IMO you should always have a DPS mode.

again just imo...

[jmonty]

no offense but I really don't know if you guys read my posts. I mean that nicely.

I have said already that I have an intimdps for my barbarian. He is greater TWF with an intim of 50. I am looking for something different.

Whats the point of being a true tank when you drop 15dr and 10ac?


Sorry to sound prude rude, I guess I was looking for some input on people who understand that I am looking to go sword and board, not persuade me otherwise. I toons that tear up that spectrum already.. Looking to go true intimitank.. Those do not do a bunch of dps.. I'm still pretty sure i'm gonna be doing more damage than those little monks who have 105 ac and can't hit squat.

and i don't want kensai, said it already. ty though

whatever. thanks for the input

sry to bother you guys lol

i'd say at least work in power attack so you can use two handers well when you do need dps.

and why do you want spring attack?

[Asketes]

i'll carry a couple of greataxes which a str of 30 should support.

Maybe I don't understand THF--> are glancing blows for mobs around the target mob?

Example.. does having a better glancing blow to hit worthwhile if you are attacking one mob (like harry? no one else around to hit)

all THF does is give better % of your glancing blows to hit.. no point in me taking those feats. I've never done s&b or THF before. All of my toons have greater twf, wanted to check out something different.

Example:

Permaraged gets a 44str, intim almost everything (reaver on elite w/ a 7 roll) and I demolish everything man. But my AC is smeg. I guess i just didn't want to invest in something similar.

So I take my intim down, figure out a way to get the tome and pop it. b4 lvl 2. no problem.. make sure I have a 17 dex. Just seemed a waste cuz im so used to having a ridiculous amount of STR.

I'll try and run the numbers later tonight. See how I can fit it in.. I have no interest in PA.. i know i know but just let that one be. Maybe i'll take out the weapon specialization and swap for twf, itwf, and gtwf if i have enough room?

[jmonty]

i'll carry a couple of greataxes which a str of 30 should support.

Maybe I don't understand THF--> are glancing blows for mobs around the target mob?

ya, exactly. not worth the feats imo..

[jmonty]

I'll try and run the numbers later tonight. See how I can fit it in.. I have no interest in PA.. i know i know but just let that one be.

i hear ya man, that is how i feel with my ranger..

[hu-flung-pu]

all he'll need is a green steel great axe for DPS.

There's nothing wrong with being lastman standing with half your hit points. And nothing but 10 or 11 red names on the raid roster list. I think you've got the right idea for sword and board. But some tactics feats might help you out as well. And slicing blow is something I'm looking at taking for mine or at least stunning blow if I go bludgeon. Been thinking about blunt weapons a lot. Specifically war hammers on a sword and board for that weighted 5%. I think an important aspect of ranking is aggro management. And taking things down or out of the fight temporarily.

I also think you're on the right track with whirlwind.

Other then what I stated I'd roll him up.

[Asketes]

all he'll need is a green steel great axe for DPS.

There's nothing wrong with being lastman standing with half your hit points. And nothing but 10 or 11 red names on the raid roster list. I think you've got the right idea for sword and board. But some tactics feats might help you out as well. And slicing blow is something I'm looking at taking for mine or at least stunning blow if I go bludgeon. Been thinking about blunt weapons a lot. Specifically war hammers on a sword and board for that weighted 5%. I think an important aspect of ranking is aggro management. And taking things down or out of the fight temporarily.

I also think you're on the right track with whirlwind.



Other then what I stated I'd roll him up.

I really really like stunning blow, but even with a 42 str my barb's stunning blow (auto-crit FTW) gets resisted a lot in higher levels.. It seems the balance check that comes with trip is more easily overcome than stunning blow.

Maybe i'll invest in improved trip?

I like the 2d8 of greensteel bastard swords. so what it's only x2 instead of x3 kopesh though. meh is what i say hehe

still not sure if i'm gonna play w/ thf or gtwf

[Asketes]

i've never used slicing blow.

have you used it before? What do you notice with i?