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    I have a WF Wiz, capped, and this is a much, much different build. Yes, you can heal yourself as a WF, and that is great, this build allows you to heal other (non-WF's), and to do so fairly well.

    So far, I have been able to both CC, and help keep many of my party mates from dying. Better CC than a Cleric, worse healing, naturally. The fact that my heals come from the Dragonmarks, are impacted by Empower and Maximize, and cost no-mana is a very different version of a character to play in a party.

    As I have only played to level 8 so far, I don't know how this will play at higher level. I am not in any way saying that it is "BETTER" than a WF Wiz. Having played Elven, Human and WF wizards, I would say that WF are tops.

    However, I am saying it is different, a valid build, and fun.(so far).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phidius View Post
    OK, I'll freely admit that I love my WF wizzie. However, the OP did say how much he is enjoying using his DM healing on other party members.

    So group only with WF?
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    or use greater command? sit the **** down and die is pretty good cc on living ****
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    Quote Originally Posted by muffinlad View Post
    BTW, I am building one of these now...and I could not choose the 2nd dragon mark at 3rd level. Just an FYI.

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    I got the order messed up, but anyway you can see my point. Thanks for all of the constructive input regarding this build. Like I said earlier, I really enjoy playing it and it functions well at high end content. I have a capped sorc that I've pretty much have stopped playing at this point (I love swapping spells on wizzards). I also have 2 capped clerics so this caster allows me to play caster and psuedo cleric at the same time and in groups/raid parties I can help burst heal when needed.

    I often run this character with 1-2 other guildies and take care of healing and casting duties. I just make sure I yell out "Dragonmark" everytime I heal there dying arse. I end up saying it enough that they've stopped making fun of me for having dragonmarks in the first place. They now specifically ask for my wizzard when a caster is needed in a party (maybe my sorc with 39 char & 2200 sp is just gimped).

    Bottom line, I hope you've fun with it, I know I have. To all of the people that say a WF wizzy is better, you're probably right, especially for self healing, but this wasn't about making the best wizzard. I wanted a party friendly wizzard that could cc, buff, nuke (when needed), FOD, debuff, and have good self-healing and back-up healing abilities. I've succssfully ran numerous shrouds, vods, hounds, & sorjecks w/o having any major problems (just need to manage sp, carry scrolls, and mana pots when necessary).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vengenance View Post

    Bottom line, I hope you've fun with it, I know I have. To all of the people that say a WF wizzy is better, you're probably right, especially for self healing, but this wasn't about making the best wizzard. I wanted a party friendly wizzard that could cc, buff, nuke (when needed), FOD, debuff, and have good self-healing and back-up healing abilities. I've succssfully ran numerous shrouds, vods, hounds, & sorjecks w/o having any major problems (just need to manage sp, carry scrolls, and mana pots when necessary).
    As a party friendly/support/CC wizard, like you, I really enjoy this build. I think the uncovering of the Halfling/DM build (discovery? convergence? Re-emergence?) adds to flavor in the game, and gives players a "Science" to an optional build that is not entirely focused on WF.

    Keep updating the build, I am sure it will prove enjoyable to others, as it has to me.

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    I have one of the same.. had him for a long time now.

    Hes pretty cool... we have gone clericless on more than one occasion with him being the healer... and its nice to not just lay down and die.

    Got extend heighten empower and maximize for his btw...and pushing 1715 sp
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Phenx View Post
    I have one of the same.. had him for a long time now.

    Hes pretty cool... we have gone clericless on more than one occasion with him being the healer... and its nice to not just lay down and die.

    Got extend heighten empower and maximize for his btw...and pushing 1715 sp
    Question- Did you go with points in UMD to boost any potential healing offered? I was considering it, but thought "I don't want to play another cleric, just someone who can HELP with heals if it is needed", so put my skill points in other areas (Move Silently and Hide, to let me sneak up and get the drop on folks...)

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    An interesting twist on the self-healing, looks like a creative and original alternative to WF
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    I was just thinking of a similar build but taking two rogue levels so he could evasion, disable and get UMD. really, the ultimate utility character (except DPS). Had a couple of concerns though.

    1 - Will I be able to get relax high enough without insightful reflexes? starting at 16 dex, +2 halfling, +2 tome, +6 item = +8 reflex. Add in levels, resist 5, GH and halfling saves (+2 or 3?) you get to around 26-27 reflex.

    2- How useful will UMD be? Some RR items sure and raise/res scrolls, but he should be able to heal from DMs. Any other common UMD'ed scrolls are covered through Wizzie levels.


    Don't mean to hijack but figured it was sort of on topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EKKM View Post
    I was just thinking of a similar build but taking two rogue levels so he could evasion, disable and get UMD. really, the ultimate utility character (except DPS). Had a couple of concerns though.

    1 - Will I be able to get relax high enough without insightful reflexes? starting at 16 dex, +2 halfling, +2 tome, +6 item = +8 reflex. Add in levels, resist 5, GH and halfling saves (+2 or 3?) you get to around 26-27 reflex.

    2- How useful will UMD be? Some RR items sure and raise/res scrolls, but he should be able to heal from DMs. Any other common UMD'ed scrolls are covered through Wizzie levels.


    Don't mean to hijack but figured it was sort of on topic.
    My original concept was a wizard with 1-2 levels of rogue for ultimate party support, but I opted to stay pure in the end after seeing the wizzard capstone and really wanted to concentrate on playing the wizzard class w/o any additional distractions. I think it is a very viable build with two levels of rogue, but with full UMD ranks you really won't need the dragonmarks since you should be able use heal scrolls. The biggest downside of dragonmarks are how feat intensive they are. I think if I was going to roll a wizzard/rogue I'd go drow to get bonuses for char & int and use my feats for insightful reflexes, mental toughnesses, spell focus, etc. to ensure I have a good spell point pool and good spell DCs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vengenance View Post
    My original concept was a wizard with 1-2 levels of rogue for ultimate party support, but I opted to stay pure in the end after seeing the wizzard capstone and really wanted to concentrate on playing the wizzard class w/o any additional distractions. I think it is a very viable build with two levels of rogue, but with full UMD ranks you really won't need the dragonmarks since you should be able use heal scrolls. The biggest downside of dragonmarks are how feat intensive they are. I think if I was going to roll a wizzard/rogue I'd go drow to get bonuses for char & int and use my feats for insightful reflexes, mental toughnesses, spell focus, etc. to ensure I have a good spell point pool and good spell DCs.
    Thanks for the reply. I understand what you are saying but I am pretty casual so the levelling process is important as well. With UMD, reliable healing would not be an option until level 7-8 (even then only wands). You are correct about the feats though, I've been playing the planner and it is tight to get the DMs, enough spell points and the required metas.

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