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[Strakeln]

lol what not talking about the rise of a commist state here bud. thought u talking about schools for some reason. but china is the rising star pretty sad the market has more hope in a commust state than america to pull us out of the self made sad state are country is in pretty sad day when a china is a better hope than america

China won't impress me until they can hold the economy at the same time as respecting human rights.

[Boldrin]

that not the point. the only point i was making you might be a little off and have to go though LD. but in the end its up to you to make a life for yourself. and all those mean kids that make fun you for not being like them dont mean a thing when you grow up. becouse its your own life and you can do whatevery you want to with it. regardless how stupid the world like think you are its not there life.

words i live by if you going to do it do it for yourself you need nobody else.

You know what, it really sounds like you're holding onto some resentments from your childhood... sometimes you just have to chalk it up to the fact that kids can be mean, and move on. Lol, I was the D& D playing geek rolling dice in the back of my calculus class and screwing off throughout high school. I got picked on too, but I'm ok with it,lol. I don't think anyone was knocking people with LD, yet somehow you seemed to take offense.. I suggest get a helmet

[Rog]

You know what, it really sounds like you're holding onto some resentments from your childhood... sometimes you just have to chalk it up to the fact that kids can be mean, and move on. Lol, I was the D& D playing geek rolling dice in the back of my calculus class and screwing off throughout high school. I got picked on too, but I'm ok with it,lol.

Your right i really do i was going to move back home buy a 350 to 500k house. then invite then over but moving on is also a good thing.

[Boldrin]

Anyone ever watch Carlos Mencia?? Deet da deet!!

[Aranticus]

Yes, it's sad but true. I was in schools this past Summer teaching acting and singing to underpriviledged kids and it was really sad to see what the countrys school system is like. Thinking about home schooling the kids :/

I strongly disagree. I attended public schools in multiple states, and multiple cities within said multiple states (divorce-happy family). Every place I went, the schooling was more than adequate.

I note you mentioned "underprivileged kids". Right there is the real problem. In reality, the more correct term for these kids would be "Kids with ****ty parents". My wife is a teacher who works with children with social and behavior disorders... most of which really translates to "bad parenting". Most of the time, all they really need is a few minutes in a room with someone willing to straighten them out. Of course, since the parents don't do this, and the teachers aren't allowed to...

Raise your kids right and you'll find that the public school system will do them a great service. Naturally, there are some exceptions on both ends (sometimes you raise 'em right and they still turn out messed up; some schools really are bad).

What really irks me is the amount of money spent on "challenged" kids as opposed to the amount spent on "gifted" kids. It makes no sense to me to provide all of that extra service to the kid that will end up flipping burgers no matter what. Makes a lot more sense (to me, at least) to try and develop the kid that might cure cancer. (Yes, there are G&T programs, but they pale in comparison to the funding the other end receives... consider this: my wife has eight kids in her classroom... and two full-time aides to help, plus two of the students have full-time personal aides... that's 5 adults to handle 8 kids...).

/steps down off soapbox

i cant comment how US schools vary state to state but strake did point out something which is a topic close to heart. if any of you do not know, i'm actually a teacher to 16-18 yr olds for the past 5 years

boldrin, while it is not wrong for you to post your experience, what you have seen and experienced is only a fraction of the education in US. the disparity and support level in each county, state, etc can be very large. while it may be true in your context, but to extrapolate it to all schools is a rather irresponsible remark

strake, i find many similarities in your experience to mine. like you, i woulnt say underprivileged. many of the students that would require alot of support tend to be those that come from rather well to do background. these students are often classified as recalcitrant, difficult students. if one were to look at how they were brought up, then a trend would be observed

1. they are from middle to high income families
2. their parents have no time for them
3. or their parents were over indulgent with them
4. parents did not inculcate sharing, rather they promoted self interests
5. behaviors are rewarded/punished rather than affirmative/corrective
6. overuse of emo culture
7. out-sourcing

this leads to a culture of decadance, indulgence, overly emo/sensitiveness and lack of resilence. this does not bode well not just for individual countries but the world as a whole. education starts at home. there are only so much an educator can do. there is only so much support a school/state/country can provide. ultimately, its how you raise kids and less on where they go to

[Aranticus]

China won't impress me until they can hold the economy at the same time as respecting human rights.

every country has some rights issue

[Strakeln]

every country has some rights issue

No doubt. You don't even want to get me started on my own country's human rights issues... but at the same time, I'm really glad I'm in the US and not China.

[Rog]

i cant comment how US schools vary state to state but strake did point out something which is a topic close to heart. if any of you do not know, i'm actually a teacher to 16-18 yr olds for the past 5 years

boldrin, while it is not wrong for you to post your experience, what you have seen and experienced is only a fraction of the education in US. the disparity and support level in each county, state, etc can be very large. while it may be true in your context, but to extrapolate it to all schools is a rather irresponsible remark

strake, i find many similarities in your experience to mine. like you, i woulnt say underprivileged. many of the students that would require alot of support tend to be those that come from rather well to do background. these students are often classified as recalcitrant, difficult students. if one were to look at how they were brought up, then a trend would be observed

1. they are from middle to high income families
2. their parents have no time for them
3. or their parents were over indulgent with them
4. parents did not inculcate sharing, rather they promoted self interests
5. behaviors are rewarded/punished rather than affirmative/corrective
6. overuse of emo culture
7. out-sourcing

this leads to a culture of decadance, indulgence, overly emo/sensitiveness and lack of resilence. this does not bode well not just for individual countries but the world as a whole. education starts at home. there are only so much an educator can do. there is only so much support a school/state/country can provide. ultimately, its how you raise kids and less on where they go to

I have been to schools where they tell you cant read your ld and they take you aside and do your TEST for you. or try that alway ****ed me off. so they stoped with me . i have been to other schools when trying to blow off the class and acing the there test the teachers take you aside and set you straight. my luck i found a school I have been a straight a and b stundent in science since 6th grade just becouse was ld the other school did not care enough to let me try to break out of the mold they put me in as ld.

[Hordo]

I have been to schools where they tell you cant read your ld and they take you aside and do your TEST for you. or try that alway ****ed me off. so they stoped with me . i have been to other schools when trying to blow off the class and acing the there test the teachers take you aside and set you straight. my luck i found a school I have been a straight a and b stundent in science since 6th grade just becouse was ld the other school did not care enough to let me try to break out of the mold they put me in as ld.

Lunar,
I can fully appreciate your frustration. I don't regularly share this with folks, but I am LD and severely so. I did have to repeat one grade as a result. I still have a very difficult time performing the physical act of writing as it is virtually illegible and was asked since I was in 4th grade to type my assignments that were not being done in-class.

I was sent to a private school that specialized in LD students until high school and even there was a standout at being 'unteachable' as I was pronounced by several of the pedagogues. I had problems reading, focusing, I was hyperactive and daydreamed. Yet when given a test that had been newly developed for folks with my litany of LDs I could ace them. I was very lucky in that there were a number of researchers in my area who were working on LD and education and were developing tests to determine how to work around the LD and still educate the child.

It finally happened a little later that I discovered that it really is a matter of getting ****ed off enough and being stubborn enough to work around and work through the LD and being determined to show up those who told you you couldn't do it. I must thank my high school which refused to consider me as anything but a normal student, it was their influence that allowed the second half of the subsequent statements to occur. I was told I'd never be able to do math properly, I aced the AP Calculus exam. I was told my memory wasn't ever going to be up to par, I spent several years as an actor and won some awards for my efforts and became known as a dependable "quick-study" as a stand-in for roles in Shakespeare plays. I was told I'd never be able to read or write with any proficiency, I've published a number of books and won several national/international awards in the process. I was told I'd never be able to really learn a foreign language, I read 13 and speak 3 right now. I have a graduate degree in Philosophy and Literature from a very exclusive program. I have been a teacher in my time as well.

Yes, there is a bit of "I'd like to show them" here within me, but just knowing that it can be done and trying to do what I can to assist other LD kids to do it is enough for me. I cannot tolerate the programs where they treat LD kids as "LD Kids" as opposed to just "Kids" who happen to require a different method of pedagogy. I usually try to stay out of these socially-relevant threads and stick to my smart-alec threads, but this topic is a bit close to my heart. I am sorry that you had a poor experience, as did I, but it seems we both weathered the storm and have come through intact and sailing straight on to clear horizons.

[Strakeln]

Lunar,
I can fully appreciate your frustration. I don't regularly share this with folks, but I am LD and severely so. I did have to repeat one grade as a result. I still have a very difficult time performing the physical act of writing as it is virtually illegible and was asked since I was in 4th grade to type my assignments that were not being done in-class.

I was sent to a private school that specialized in LD students until high school and even there was a standout at being 'unteachable' as I was pronounced by several of the pedagogues. I had problems reading, focusing, I was hyperactive and daydreamed. Yet when given a test that had been newly developed for folks with my litany of LDs I could ace them. I was very lucky in that there were a number of researchers in my area who were working on LD and education and were developing tests to determine how to work around the LD and still educate the child.

It finally happened a little later that I discovered that it really is a matter of getting ****ed off enough and being stubborn enough to work around and work through the LD and being determined to show up those who told you you couldn't do it. I must thank my high school which refused to consider me as anything but a normal student, it was their influence that allowed the second half of the subsequent statements to occur. I was told I'd never be able to do math properly, I aced the AP Calculus exam. I was told my memory wasn't ever going to be up to par, I spent several years as an actor and won some awards for my efforts and became known as a dependable "quick-study" as a stand-in for roles in Shakespeare plays. I was told I'd never be able to read or write with any proficiency, I've published a number of books and won several national/international awards in the process. I was told I'd never be able to really learn a foreign language, I read 13 and speak 3 right now. I have a graduate degree in Philosophy and Literature from a very exclusive program. I have been a teacher in my time as well.

Yes, there is a bit of "I'd like to show them" here within me, but just knowing that it can be done and trying to do what I can to assist other LD kids to do it is enough for me. I cannot tolerate the programs where they treat LD kids as "LD Kids" as opposed to just "Kids" who happen to require a different method of pedagogy. I usually try to stay out of these socially-relevant threads and stick to my smart-alec threads, but this topic is a bit close to my heart. I am sorry that you had a poor experience, as did I, but it seems we both weathered the storm and have come through intact and sailing straight on to clear horizons.

One of my brothers had a similar experience. LD, generally did miserably in school. This continued on into college, where he flunked out of a community college (!!).

He continued floundering in another community college for another year or so. Around that time, I rec'd my undergrad degree and started professional work. I'm not sure of the exact mixture, but some combination of seeing the dough I was making and how proud our families were of my accomplishments flipped a switch in him.

Next semester, 4.0 at the community college. We pulled a lot of strings and somehow managed to get him into Clarkson University, a renowned engineering school.

He went on to graduate with a 4.0, then continue on through his graduate degree, with yet another 4.0.

So what changed? Determination. He was determined to be as successful, if not more successful, than I was. He worked hard - and I do mean HARD - no one wanted to hang out with him because all he'd ever talk about was electrical engineering... he was that focused. I still remember the Thanksgiving dinner where he dominated the conversation - talking about the power grid and how he was going to fix it (!!). My grandfather fell asleep at the table... my wife excused herself to watch football... my mother washed the dishes two or three times - but not one of us wanted to stop him. He'd finally found his path, and was determined to follow it.

Little bastard is getting close to my salary now, despite my having a 4-year head start.

[Rog]

One of my brothers had a similar experience. LD, generally did miserably in school. This continued on into college, where he flunked out of a community college (!!).

He continued floundering in another community college for another year or so. Around that time, I rec'd my undergrad degree and started professional work. I'm not sure of the exact mixture, but some combination of seeing the dough I was making and how proud our families were of my accomplishments flipped a switch in him.

Next semester, 4.0 at the community college. We pulled a lot of strings and somehow managed to get him into Clarkson University, a renowned engineering school.

He went on to graduate with a 4.0, then continue on through his graduate degree, with yet another 4.0.

So what changed? Determination. He was determined to be as successful, if not more successful, than I was. He worked hard - and I do mean HARD - no one wanted to hang out with him because all he'd ever talk about was electrical engineering... he was that focused. I still remember the Thanksgiving dinner where he dominated the conversation - talking about the power grid and how he was going to fix it (!!). My grandfather fell asleep at the table... my wife excused herself to watch football... my mother washed the dishes two or three times - but not one of us wanted to stop him. He'd finally found his path, and was determined to follow it.

Little bastard is getting close to my salary now, despite my having a 4-year head start.

lol i total understand that strak people walk away from me when i talk about space all the time
i believe galaxies are gravity wells and the space between galaxies is the 70% that the top sciencetist cant seem to find. why becouse anti gravity is not in its happy state inside of a galaxiy ,or darkmatter. the galaxies sit in a ocean of dark matter like a ship on the ocean. if this is true that means as soon as a galaxies produce dark matter its shot out of a galaxies to it happy place. every element want to be happy. why if true is this a big deal if you took a object coated it with dark matter inside of a gravity well it would try to shoot itself outside of galaxies . which for humans means that faster than light travel would be possible. becouse in the coating of dark matter or antigravity the laws of galaxic physics would not hold true. this being said what we study and are mixing on earth is galitic physics and outer gatic physics . we are looking for a law of everything but i see it as gears working to together to creat everything we see.
1. galitic physics : Einstein laws hold true.
2.outer galitic physics: Einstein laws dont hold true. by uses these laws inside of a gravity well you can bypass the
laws of galitic physics and bypass the speed of light for travel and for Communctions.

most people think i am nuts and start to leave when i talk about this. and my english is like a baseball bat being knocked up side my head droping me to the ground. which is to say i will most likey never get to write science fiction books like i would like to.
sorry little short fused on the matter
peace and have a great day
lunar

[Oreg]

Actually the fact that he lives in Hawaii explains everything. I live there as well and we are the only state in the US that has a state controlled DOE. The benefits of this you ask? Ranked 16th in dollars spent per child on education. Ranked 49/50 (varies year to year) in nationalized testing at both the second and eigth grade levels. Ranked 49/50 (varies year to year but never lower than 49) in both graduation rates and college attendance rates.

Our legislators have "identified the problems and are working on improvements"....that quote was in 1972. We are still waiting.

[Strakeln]

lol i total understand that strak people walk away from me when i talk about space all the time
i believe galaxies are gravity wells and the space between galaxies is the 70% that the top sciencetist cant seem to find. why becouse anti gravity is not in its happy state inside of a galaxiy ,or darkmatter. the galaxies sit in a ocean of dark matter like a ship on the ocean. if this is true that means as soon as a galaxies produce dark matter its shot out of a galaxies to it happy place. every element want to be happy. why if true is this a big deal if you took a object coated it with dark matter inside of a gravity well it would try to shoot itself outside of galaxies . which for humans means that faster than light travel would be possible. becouse in the coating of dark matter or antigravity the laws of galaxic physics would not hold true. this being said what we study and are mixing on earth is galitic physics and outer gatic physics . we are looking for a law of everything but i see it as gears working to together to creat everything we see.
1. galitic physics : Einstein laws hold true.
2.outer galitic physics: Einstein laws dont hold true. by uses these laws inside of a gravity well you can bypass the
laws of galitic physics and bypass the speed of light for travel and for Communctions.

most people think i am nuts and start to leave when i talk about this. and my english is like a baseball bat being knocked up side my head droping me to the ground. which is to say i will most likey never get to write science fiction books like i would like to.
sorry little short fused on the matter
peace and have a great day
lunar

A rather interesting theory, IMO.

One of the implications of this theory might be that dark matter is extremely hard to find in the universe, assuming it is distributed in a near-uniform manner (galaxies are incredibly dense when compared to the distance between them). This provides a reasonable explanation as to why we can't find it.

[Rog]

A rather interesting theory, IMO.

One of the implications of this theory might be that dark matter is extremely hard to find in the universe, assuming it is distributed in a near-uniform manner (galaxies are incredibly dense when compared to the distance between them). This provides a reasonable explanation as to why we can't find it.

i would not say a near-uniform manner. but i would say like the ocean some spots have depth other dont. now for the galaxies depending on the amount of dark matter in the area depends of the shape of the galaxie formed. dark matter is the water of non galaxie space and acts on matter depending on how much is present in one area. when there is to little galaxies will collide .when there is to much they will seprate at a much faster rate. overall at a constant but much faster than if it was not there. it help prevent galaxies from collision but sometimes depending on the amount it can still happen.

[Strakeln]

i would not say a near-uniform manner. but i would say like the ocean some spots have depth other dont. now for the galaxies depending on the amount of dark matter in the area depends of the shape of the galaxie formed. dark matter is the water of non galaxie space and acts on matter depending on how much is present in one area. when there is to little galaxies will collide .when there is to much they will seprate at a much faster rate. overall at a constant but much faster than if it was not there. it help prevent galaxies from collision but sometimes depending on the amount it can still happen.

Expanding on your idea of concentration of dark matter having a hand in the behavior of galaxies: what do you think is the explanation for the acceleration of the rate of expansion? "Dark matter", obviously... but by your theory, doesn't that imply that something must be injecting more dark matter and/or dark energy between galaxies?

Makes dark matter/energy sound like a byproduct. Say, from black holes in the centers of galaxies?