WTT Firestrom Greaves for Min2 or Lightn2

[Thrudh]

They stack.

Yes, this does make the greaves more valuable.

Also, not everyone can umd fireshield and it lasts 50 seconds; greaves last as long as you are wearing them.

50 seconds is just about perfect for Part 4 of the Shroud... Lasts almost long enough for the entire round... then you can reapply before the Pit Fiend reappears.

[Riorik]

Ok, I can see some of that value then - if the Greaves stack with all other forms of protection/resistance.

It's still only 1/3rd damage reduction AFTER possibly being cut in half or less, already.
Unless you're in deep lava, there are many ways to also mitigate damage such as simply having a lot of HP, very high Reflex Saves, etc etc. I see it as an item that potentially will be as equally useful at level 20 as now, however, it's still no more valuable than Beholder Optics.

Of course, and I haven't been looking, what's the current price of them on the AH, if anybody even offers them?

[smatt]

It is a named item that drops out of a chest that can be easily farmed. Just because not many people farm them frequently or as easily as a bloodstone does not make them an uber rare, hard to aquire item. I wouldnt even consider trading more than 6 larges for them. That's just my opinion though..

Well, Im pretty sure they drop far less often than the bloodstone. As I ALWAYS run all the chests in that area. I've pulled 5 sets of FS Geraves, and something like 15 bloodstones. Could just be luck or not... I'm never sure about such things.... But we do knwo that lares drop, they aren't rare at all. Juswt my opinion as well, eeach item in the game is only worth what it is worth to each individual.

[smatt]

Ok, I can see some of that value then - if the Greaves stack with all other forms of protection/resistance.

It's still only 1/3rd damage reduction AFTER possibly being cut in half or less, already.
Unless you're in deep lava, there are many ways to also mitigate damage such as simply having a lot of HP, very high Reflex Saves, etc etc. I see it as an item that potentially will be as equally useful at level 20 as now, however, it's still no more valuable than Beholder Optics.

Of course, and I haven't been looking, what's the current price of them on the AH, if anybody even offers them?

I haven't sen any in a while.. But the last set I saw was 1.5 mP....

There are many wasy to mitigate a lot fo things.. But what's easier to do fast... What' smore realistic to switch too.... An dthe pint is, when you take massive fire damage to be able to survive long enough after that for the cleric or whatever to get you back to good health.... For instance fire bats in VoD I never die from them while many other people go down, or take MAJOR damage, then one more hit and poof dead meat....

I love them, one of the best named in the game IMO....

OK so we have say a 200 points of fire damage:

30 resist =170
Fire shield = 85
Greaves = 56

So 1 pro pot cover that right....

OK what aobut a non-caster:

30 resist =170
Pro pot = 110
Greaves= 74

That 36 points of damage mitgation is HUGE.....


I'm pretty sure somebody did this trade though.

[Riorik]

Before I edited it, I was going to throw in a 300 base damage comparison and suggest I'm not that impressed with 45 damage saved.
I guess, damage saved is damage saved and whatever it's worth to somebody is whatever it's worth.

[Ranmaru2]

As someone who;s run this chest over 150 times and only ever pulled 1 pair compared to 10 bloodstones and 5 spell storing rings, I can tell you it is quite a rare item. I have considered trading my pair but the rarity of the drop is ALWAYS the deciding factor on why I DO NOT trade them. If I pull another pair I will consider parting with them, but since I do a run every time I log onto Rtwo and Ihaveaweapon (sometimes two runs per log session) and have yet to pull another pair, I'm keeping mine. These boots go for high prices due to the fact that they stack.

300 point DBF:

180 after prot

150 after resistance

100 damage after boots (fighter with no UMD without failed reflex and no evasion)

50 damage with successful reflex and no evasion

Taking 1/6 of the usual received damage is HUGE, and considering the end game is chalk full of fire, they are VERY valuable, especially when there's little else to put in boot slot (boots of the innocent.....shroud item..................striders (perma-hasted almost always anyway with shroud clickies so irrelevant)...

Now lets say you can UMD a fireshield scroll

150 turns to 75

75 with boots turns to 49 (49.5 but ddo rounds down)

49 damage before a save turns into: A) 49 damage or B) 24 damage

How do these boots not receive a good appraisal check based on their: A) rarity and B) Power?

[Riorik]

300 point DBF:
180 after prot
150 after resistance
100 damage after boots (fighter with no UMD without failed reflex and no evasion)
50 damage with successful reflex and no evasion

I think protection & resistance does not stack like this.

Now lets say you can UMD a fireshield scroll
150 turns to 75
75 with boots turns to 49 (49.5 but ddo rounds down)
49 damage before a save turns into: A) 49 damage or B) 24 damage
How do these boots not receive a good appraisal check based on their: A) rarity and B) Power?

So you're saying the boots save you 50-60 HP of damage (per hit) assuming an unsuccessful saving throw.

[Ranmaru2]

That's exactly how protection and resistance apply. Go find some lava (even shallow) and then jump in and out of it. Your protection is taken off first and then goes to the resistance.

And yes, it saves about 50-60, but saves much more if you don't have protection while in fighting the pitfiend.

Say he's just nuked you and the cleric is too busy healing the other mcsquishies up there.

So you have to attempt to save against the next 300 pt DBF.

You fail a save (and lets assume both fireshield and no fireshield):

No Fireshield
300 turns to 270 from resistances

270 Turns to 180 damage from a failed save. (You've just negated the full amount of a protection spell from having these boots on)

% of damage negated: 40%

Fireshield

300 turns to 270

270 turns to 135

135 turns to 89

% of damage negated: 71%

Now what of a successful reflex save (assume no evasion and, once again, FS and no FS)

300 turns to 270

270 -> 135

135 -> 89**

% of damage negated: 71%

**Note that you've just made the equivalent of a fireshield's worth of damage saved off of the amount that could have potentially one-to-two shotted you**

with FS

300 -> 270 -> 135 -> 89 -> 44

% of damage negated: 86%

[Riorik]

You're right, I'm mistaken. I knew better.

[Roman]

For 12 larges you can craft a GS weapon with 45% fire absorption. Depending on what new items come out next mod that may not be such a terrible item slot for caster types and greaves are really not needed on an evasion build. So greaves are only a gotta have it type of item for non evasion melee for a half a dozen situations.

[Riorik]

However, using 12 larges gives you a bound raid item. Firestorm Greaves are not bound. Lot of inherent flexibility in that.

Anybody know if the exceptional absorption stack like the Greaves?

[bloodyrag]

i have been running that chest for the greaves for 2 years and have literally tried for them well over 1000 times and have never pulled a set of greaves. i have pulled a dozen odd bloodstones, spell storing rings and all the other named stuff from out there but NEVER the greaves to the right person they could b invaluable u know u will get the larges eventually u might never get the greaves its that simple for a toon like a clr with no evasion and no umd they can easily mean difference between life or death inpart4 shroud for instance

[smatt]

For 12 larges you can craft a GS weapon with 45% fire absorption. Depending on what new items come out next mod that may not be such a terrible item slot for caster types and greaves are really not needed on an evasion build. So greaves are only a gotta have it type of item for non evasion melee for a half a dozen situations.

You may consider some research and testng.......

[Dracolich]

Why dont you goobers take this discussion to general forums? This is a trade forum. If you dont want to participate in the trade then dont.

[Whippy]

i have been running that chest for the greaves for 2 years and have literally tried for them well over 1000 times and have never pulled a set of greaves. i have pulled a dozen odd bloodstones, spell storing rings and all the other named stuff from out there but NEVER the greaves to the right person they could b invaluable u know u will get the larges eventually u might never get the greaves its that simple for a toon like a clr with no evasion and no umd they can easily mean difference between life or death inpart4 shroud for instance

*Loving strokes her 3 sets of firestorm greaves* Seriously I've run those chests 1000 times too.. and only pulled 1 bloodstone ever, but I have more luck on the greaves, seen about 5 others sets pulled too. They are not THAT rare, but they are as rare as bloodstones for some.

[Riorik]

Why dont you goobers take this discussion to general forums? This is a trade forum. If you dont want to participate in the trade then dont.

I agree, wrong venue - but I thought somebody said the trade already happened and insinuated it as at the requested "price".