Tempest KotC vs Pure KotC

[Monkey_Archer]

Just thought i'd post this here where it belongs...

Hey Monkey - could I impose upon you for a huge favor as you seem to have this DPS calcs nailed down?

Could you do me Human TWF lvl 20 KotC vs Pally14 KotC/Ranger 6, both for EO and everything else?

Assume base Cha and Str base 16 with +3 tomes? If that's all too much of a pain in the a$$, or you need more info on how much damage things like DM, etc do, let me know...

This result did not surprise me one bit.....
Of course, the Pure KotC loses alot more when fighting non-evil outsiders.

Any1 else interesting in knowing how much better ANY build would be by going tempest? *pukes*

Str 16 +3tome +5 levels +6 item +2 ragepot = 32

Tempest KotC

5.5 Khopesh
5 weapon mod
12 str mod
4 Sacred damage
3 Divine favor
6 FE damage
2 rams might
8 warchanter
1 prayer
5 power attack
---
51.5 mainhand
45.5 offhand (-6 for str)

Effects:
7 holy
7 Evil outsider bane
2.5 slicing
---
16.5

Total mainhand: 68
Total offhand 62


Mainhand Crit damage:
154.5 (51.5 x3)
16.5 effects
18 seeker (6 bloodstone)
---
189


Offhand crit damage:
136.5 (45.5 x3)
16.5 effects
18 seeker (6 bloodstone)
---
171


(Mainhand + offhand)
attacks 1:0 damage
attacks 2-16: 68 + 62 = 130
attacks 17-20: 189 + 171 = 360


total hits: 15 x 130 = 1950
total crits: 4 x 360 = 1440


average damage (1950 + 1440) /20 = 169.5

Alternative swing rate 83 *1.1 * 1.1 = 100
haste = 126

100 x 169.5 /60 = 282.5
126 x 169.5/60 = 356


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KotC

5.5 Khopesh
5 weapon mod
11 str mod
8 Sacred damage
3 divine favor
8 warchanter
1 prayer
5 power attack
---
46.5 mainhand
40.5 offhand (-6 for str)

Effects:
7 holy
14 Evil outsider bane
10.5 Weapons of good
2.5 slicing
---
34

Total mainhand: 80.5
Total offhand 74.5


Mainhand Crit damage:
139.5 (46.5 x3)
34 effects
18 seeker (6 bloodstone)
---
191.5


Offhand crit damage:
121.5 (40.5 x3)
34 effects
18 seeker (6 bloodstone)
---
173.5


(Mainhand + offhand)
attacks 1:0 damage
attacks 2-16: 80.5 + 74.5 = 155
attacks 17-20: 191.5 + 173.5 = 365

total hits: 15 x 155 = 2325
total crits: 4 x 365 = 1460

average damage (2325 +1460) /20 = 189.3

2-weapon swing rate = 83 * 1.1 = 91
haste = 114

91 x 189.3 /60 = 287 dps
114 x 189.3/60 = 359.7

[ariel7]

You list the modifer for strength in the first example (tempest)as 12, the second as 11, both are str 32 I think, so 11 should be for both.

[Auran82]

The tempest version also gains Rams Might for +2 Str.

[Soul-Shaker]

30 seeker (6 bloodstone +4kensai)

Whats kensai doing in KotC build?

Where is the +2 dmg vs outsiders on rgr build, and where is the +4 dmg on pure build from grtr bane mod.

And where is +3 Divine favor for both sides.

Also would have to factor in -18 dmg on smites and 3 less smite compared to a pure KotC. Also DSIII at 19 for 2d6 more every 4 seconds over a rgr build.

Would also like the dps comparison without the acid DMG from MINII because lets face it, all devils have high enough resistance to ignore it.

[Cold_Stele]

Guys - Monkey has VERY, VERY KINDLY modified some Kensai numbers he's been working on as I think this is something we need to know about, especially since forum comments got Weapons of Good pre nerfed.

There are obviously going to be the odd errors but PLEASE everyone be nice - Monkey's doing a big favor to the Pally community here.

Tempest - DM III is level 15 so Sacred damage caps at +4.

For Pally I think DM IV (+8) is fair, it'll go as high as +10 eventually but it's not exactly easy meeting the prereqs.

Both need +3 attack/damage from FE.

Weapons of Good is +3d6 total IIRC.

Thanks a lot Monkey - owe you big time!

@ Soul-Shaker - he's included FE/EO damage.

[Soul-Shaker]

@ Soul-Shaker - he's included FE/EO damage.

FE/EO?? its not FE im talking about. I looked it over a few times. I only see the 2d6 and 4d6 dmg, no +2/4 enchantment dmg. Grtr bane = +4 enchantment +4d6bane.

[riexau]

Sacred dmg at 20 is 8.
Why are you adding kensei dmg onto the seeker dmg?
It's the same in both cases, but where's the divine favor dmg?

[Desteria]

looks darm near identical DPS.....

The tempest will be better for effect weapons liek vorpals with greater swing rate.