Can a Tempest Kensai do 2 times the dps of a Greatsword Kensai????

[Monkey_Archer]

Crushing wave (at least on weapons) is 5% for 3 ticks of cold/bludeon damage, not 35% for 1 tick.... i havent used wave guard, so i could be wrong here

Being a dual-shard effect like lighting strike im guessing salt guard is also 2% for 4 ticks, again i could be wrong, as ive never actually used it...

using these assumtions:
1d8 = 4.5
50% 1d4 = 1.25
1d8 = 4.5
1d4 = 2.5
20% 2d8+8 = 3.4
5% wave = 10.5
2% lighting = 12
2% dicintegrate = 10.5
2% corrosive salt = 6.2

total: 55.35 damage per hit

Lets say.... while fighting aaretrikos for example... you might get hit... say 30 times per minute? more or less depending on how close you stand next to the tempest/kensai

55.35 x 30 / 60 = 27.675 dps

unfortunatle he is immune to 11.25 of that damage....
so its more like 44.1 x 30 / 60 = 22.05 dps

[Deathseeker]

There we go, that's how we can "balance" against tempest.

Give the mobs a reactive that reflects your damage back at you 8 pts per hit. Allow DR to absorb it.

That will teach all those hasted alacrity TWF multi-attack monster builds a thing or two!

And just to be safe...give Kensai 3/- DR per tier stackable. That should just about take care of everyone

(yes, this was meant tongue-in-cheek...though technically it wouldnt be bad from a class balance perspective)...

[Monkey_Archer]

There we go, that's how we can "balance" against tempest.

Give the mobs a reactive that reflects your damage back at you 8 pts per hit. Allow DR to absorb it.

That will teach all those hasted alacrity TWF multi-attack monster builds a thing or two!

And just to be safe...give Kensai 3/- DR per tier stackable. That should just about take care of everyone

(yes, this was meant tongue-in-cheek...though technically it wouldnt be bad from a class balance perspective)...

Rofl...
Tempest Barb/WF FTW!

[Monkey_Archer]

Well since this is bugging me now...
Toughguyjoe's barb with full reactives vs tempest/kensai

Reactives (no resistance): 55.35 x 3.1 swings per second = 171.6
Reactives (with res/prot) 40.2 x 3.1 swings per second = 124.6

Greataxe Barb with crit rage

Strength: 18 +5 levels + 3 tome + 6item + 10 rage + 2 ragepot = 44

Damage:
10.5 GreatAxe
5 weapon mod
25 str mod
8 warchanter
1 prayer
16 Power attack
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65.5

Effects:
7 holy
3.5 acid burst
2.5 slicing
---
13

Total hit: 78.5

Crit damage:
196.5 (65.5 x3)
13 effects
22 acid burst + acid blast
18 seeker (6 bloodstone x5)
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249.5 crit
14 (4d6 acid blast on a 20)
---
263.5 crit 20

attack 1: 0 damage
attacks 2-16: 78.5
attack 17-19: 249.5
attack 20: 263.5

total hits: 15x78.5 = 1177.5
total crits: 3x249.5 = 748.5
crit on a 20: 1x263.5 = 263.5

average damage (1177.5 + 748.5 + 263.5) / 20 = 109.5

Greataxe swing rate = 81 per minute

81 x 109.5 /60 = 147.8 dps

Offhand attacks occur on 3/5 swings and do about 50% damage
3/5 * 50% = 30% additional dps from glancing blows

147.8+ 30% = 192.2 dps with glancing blows

OR
Greataxe swing rate = 100 per minute

100 x 109.5 /60 = 182.5 dps

Offhand attacks occur on 1/3 swings and do about 50% damage
1/3 * 50% = 17% additional dps from glancing blows

183.1 + 17% = 213.5 dps with glancing blows


Totals

Standing with resistances: Barb = 182.5 +124.6 = 307.1
Moving with resistances: Barb = 213.5 + 124.6 = 338.1
Moving with no resistances Barb = 213.5 + 171.6 = 385.1

Tempest Kensai = 296.6
Tempest Kensai moving (98 swing rate) = 312.6


So... the barb does win....
but its completely dependant on the tempest kensai also having 0 AC and one of the 2% guards going off....

kinda sad that this barb with so much gear is actually that close in average dps....