Torthur Hareft; str based pure ranger

[kingfisher]

Well, we're here to enlighten will still ripping, if your mind can comprehend what I mean with that.

No, the "good ones" are the ones who can actually compare with me.

That's where you're wrong. There is no one, no one with as little bias as us. You're just using that because I said it to you first basically. I have rerolled 10's of characters just because me or someone else found ways to improve, can you or anyone else say the same thing? Most people go around with the same character for years and keep telling their mind that they're the best just to justify their gimped character. I am not stuck with one build, or one character; I swap build / character once a month.

so yar wants to wreck, you want to rip while enlightening (try hard to comprehend this one folks A-O says its a tough one) and you both are right 99% of the time. just trying to keep it straight.

also, you are not biased at all, even though your funny math has been pointed out by several people in several different threads.

you reroll and swap builds once a month to stay current, yet all of your builds run around with 3 shroud items, which has got to be tough to do. can you tell us how you get the cleansers so fast?

i have a question, seriously, are you guys roommates at a loony bin? that would explain so much

[kingfisher]

Give an example of that please.
You're extreme bias shows up once again.

i am sorry, its seems that someone edited out all of the evidence. hmm, i bet if we put it to a vote most would agree.......

[Absolute-Omniscience]

so yar wants to wreck, you want to rip while enlightening (try hard to comprehend this one folks A-O says its a tough one) and you both are right 99% of the time. just trying to keep it straight.

Correct.

also, you are not biased at all, even though your funny math has been pointed out by several people in several different threads.

Well, if you deem math funny, then yes. Otherwise it is correct until proven otherwise. The only thing that people have disagreed with is that fights takes longer than 5 minutes.

you reroll and swap builds once a month to stay current, yet all of your builds run around with 3 shroud items, which has got to be tough to do. can you tell us how you get the cleansers so fast?

Ever heard of playing more than 1 character? Ever heard of posting the optimal and striving for aquireing it? Thought not...

i have a question, seriously, are you guys roommates at a loony bin? that would explain so much

No.

[Absolute-Omniscience]

i am sorry, its seems that someone edited out all of the evidence. hmm, i bet if we put it to a vote most would agree.......

Prove it. The last edited is shown at the bottom. Go searching and stop posting here till you find a place. Oh, you wont.

Knock yourself out.

[Yargore]

It'd probably be more clear if you just put all the combinations and results in the same post....just a thought.

Crarites should have known what AO was talking about. He claimed to know the difference between bloodstone and litany after all...

[Crarites]

Good thing you can keep up. I would suggest finding someone who goes at a lower pace, as I find it useless to quote ALL of my posts all the time. Good day, and may you one day improve your comprehention skills, for your and everyone elses sake.

To everyone else:
Feel free to read all the posts from where the BS vs litany started, you will find that I speak the truth and that Mr.Troll here aint smart enough to follow the discussion completly.

Its not about keeping up. Your simply being dishonest. Thats not hard to understand.

[Raithe]

However, you can't deny that a player with a good build is better than the very same player with a bad build.

Yes, good is better than bad. That information is extremely inspirational.

The problem actually lies in your belief that better is an absolute. In general you treat DPS as something to prize under all conditions, which is not true:

1) Ever have someone kill the dragon or giant too soon in the Tor and everyone has to spend more resources to take it down again? How about someone killing too fast in Part II of the Shoud? Too much DPS can be bad.

2) Ever run the Shroud with a ranged-only group? Lower DPS, but it's a cakewalk with less resource usage, lower equipment damage, less reliance on lag-free scenarios.

Faster is not necessarily better. Reliance on gear is not necessarily better (can you say Mordenkainen's?). Reliance on clickies is not necessarily better (beholders). "Better" is a relative concept.

A group that is full of DPS-max'd cookie-cutter powergamer "toons" all using the same equipment in the same slots doesn't often work that well, either. Sometimes variation itself is relatively better.

[Absolute-Omniscience]

Its not about keeping up. Your simply being dishonest. Thats not hard to understand.

Read it again.

[Aspenor]

toons

I hate when people call their characters toons.

Just a thought.

[Yargore]

i am sorry, its seems that someone edited out all of the evidence. hmm, i bet if we put it to a vote most would agree.......

lol, give me an example of a post that I've edited out some kind of evidence from.
I don't do that. Oh, if you are so sure that I edit out evidence from all my post look for other people quiting my posts, I can't edit that. So there's any evidence you will need. Good luck.

[kingfisher]

Prove it. The last edited is shown at the bottom. Go searching and stop posting here till you find a place. Oh, you wont.

Knock yourself out.

how sweet, coming to yar's defense. i have no need to prove it, everyone here knows its true.

[Absolute-Omniscience]

Yes, good is better than bad. That information is extremely inspirational.

The problem actually lies in your belief that better is an absolute. In general you treat DPS as something to prize under all conditions, which is not true:

1) Ever have someone kill the dragon or giant too soon in the Tor and everyone has to spend more resources to take it down again? How about someone killing too fast in Part II of the Shoud? Too much DPS can be bad.

2) Ever run the Shroud with a ranged-only group? Lower DPS, but it's a cakewalk with less resource usage, lower equipment damage, less reliance on lag-free scenarios.

Faster is not necessarily better. Reliance on gear is not necessarily better (can you say Mordenkainen's?). Reliance on clickies is not necessarily better (beholders). "Better" is a relative concept.

A group that is full of DPS-max'd cookie-cutter powergamer "toons" all using the same equipment in the same slots doesn't often work that well, either. Sometimes variation itself is relatively better.

1. Then it's the players that are bad, not the dps that is too high. If the DPS really was too high, both of them would drop. And no, that has never happened to me. Well on Tor on the first days when one didin't know how it worked.

2. Cakewalk, yes; less resources spent; no. Well actually, it depends on what you compare to. Oh, and it takes 3 times as long.

[Absolute-Omniscience]

how sweet, coming to yar's defense. i have no need to prove it, everyone here knows its true.

No, it is only you that keep stating that. And you fail so misserable. Spreading rumours are bad. If you can't prove it then don't spread it. Didn't your mother teach you that?

[Crarites]

Read it again.

Your simply being dishonest. Your intentionaly distorting your begining positions and mine to change the result.

[Absolute-Omniscience]

Your simply being dishonest. Your intentionaly distorting your begining positions and mine to change the result.

Read it again.

Origianl statment:
You: good powergamers use litany
Me: BS is more dps
You: no.
Me: calc showing it is 1,5% more dps (( CALC 1))
You: but mentau!
Me: saying that mentau + litany at 1% more dps over vod + bs when you have aggro, and that Vod + bs = 6% more dps when you do not have aggro

You: here you have calc 1, where you said that it's 1,5%, I completly ignore the second one where I compare with mentau vs vod goggles as well.
Me: Read it again.

You can read it through again or do whatever you wish but bottom line:
BS VS litany = bs +1,5% dps, all senarios (not counting fort)
BS + VOD goggles VS Litany + Mentau = L+M +1% dps with aggro. BS+VOD +6% without aggro.

[kingfisher]

No, it is only you that keep stating that. And you fail so misserable. Spreading rumours are bad. If you can't prove it then don't spread it. Didn't your mother teach you that?

well since you say it its true then?
he admitting editing his posts when he was proven wrong, but only 'in the name of providing good information to new players' which he later said he had no interest in doing, but just wanted to wreck, which you confirmed. jesus christo yall talk in cirlces. dont you need to polish your wooden shoes or something? as in somewhere else

my mama did teach me not to act like and arrogant little prick, did your miss that lesson? lmao

[Yargore]

The problem actually lies in your belief that better is an absolute. In general you treat DPS as something to prize under all conditions, which is not true:

That is not true. I never claimed any DPS build to be the "best" build. Just best "DPS" build.

If you compare the OPs build to a monk and rogue splashed ranger you will see that not only the DPS is higher. Also the UMD and AC are much higher.

Some toons just don't have anything extra to weight out the lost DPS and AC for example.

Personally though, I prefer toons with high DPS. They are most fun to play.

1) Ever have someone kill the dragon or giant too soon in the Tor and everyone has to spend more resources to take it down again? How about someone killing too fast in Part II of the Shoud? Too much DPS can be bad.

lol, ridicolous examples.

2) Ever run the Shroud with a ranged-only group? Lower DPS, but it's a cakewalk with less resource usage, lower equipment damage, less reliance on lag-free scenarios.

No, I stopped playing my ranged ranger in mod 3.
Resource usage can't be less than 0, you know?
Oh noes, I lost 10 durability on my weapons!

Not to talk about the time one would have to spend in there...

Faster is not necessarily better. Reliance on gear is not necessarily better (can you say Mordenkainen's?). Reliance on clickies is not necessarily better (beholders). "Better" is a relative concept.

Agreed, not necessarily better, but in most cases those things re actually better.

A group that is full of DPS-max'd cookie-cutter powergamer "toons" all using the same equipment in the same slots doesn't often work that well, either. Sometimes variation itself is relatively better.

Wrong, they do most often work very well.

[Crarites]

Read it again.

Origianl statment:
You: good powergamers use litany
Me: BS is more dps
You: no.
Me: calc showing it is 1,5% more dps (( CALC 1))
You: but mentau!
Me: saying that mentau + litany at 1% more dps over vod + bs when you have aggro, and that Vod + bs = 6% more dps when you do not have aggro

You: here you have calc 1, where you said that it's 1,5%, I completly ignore the second one where I compare what you afterwards said you meaned.
Me: Read it again.

Except this was entirely in repsonse to your nonsense about 85% on the game is DPS and doing everything for DPS was paramount or your gimp. My position is that the small variance in damage is insignificant. Yes, power gamers use litany because they can switch equipment as the situation applies and if you weren't so stubburn you'd recognize that and the inherent adavtages the stat bonus applies to ap allocation for humans. Your distorting my position to be sigularly about litany when the converation was about optimized equipment. You recognize its better and then fail use it as the situation calls for by your own definition your a gimp. None that goes into your nonsense waffling about god or ravager or ranger or rogue or cleric.

In summary your being dishonest.

[KoboldKiller]

Is it just me or does this remind anyone of the "my dad can beat your dad" argument in 2nd grade?

[Tarrant]

This post has descended into personal attacks and general bickering, so I'm going to lock it.