Torthur Hareft; str based pure ranger

[Absolute-Omniscience]

For any new players reading this, there any many mobs end game that dispell, beholders are not the only ones, and dispell is following a trend of only becoming more common. Again this is another instance of someone who thinks they know everything but clearly does not.

Torthur Hareft

Name the quest and I'll name how SS will be and is viable.

[kingfisher]

No, we're not here to "help new players", we're mostly here to wreck something someone thinks is good. And it's a hell of a lot of fun.
We got exaxtly the right attention we felt we deserved when we moved here, that is what you fail to see. We like being the "outcasts" within the newbie powergamers. For we know that the good ones "like" our opinions, facts and statements about builds like this.

o rly? you have stated a bunch of times in this thread (hurry go edit the posts yar!!) that you dont want 'new players to see a bad build' and that you only want to help, lolzrz. now you are saying that you are just here to rip, like we have been saying all along? hmm, ok, you are really discrediting the few positive additions you have made here.

i am not sure who your speaking of when you say the 'good ones'. is that a term you reserve for people who agree with you lol? that would fit yall's style for sure.

you guys are not outcasts, your ****ing dorks.


as i and many others have said, people around here pick each others builds apart all the time. when someone posts a build proposal, its what they are looking for. another set of eyes. but no one does it as rudely and with as much bias as you. you dont listen to the desires or parameters of the OP's. you simply keep posting the same drivel and say its right, just because you say so. this is not how it works.

[Yargore]

as i and many others have said, people around here pick each others builds apart all the time. when someone posts a build proposal, its what they are looking for. another set of eyes. but no one does it as rudely and with as much bias as you. you dont listen to the desires or parameters of the OP's. you simply keep posting the same drivel and say its right, just because you say so. this is not how it works.

The bias here lies with you and your likes.

[QuantumFX]

So you agree then, that the AC breakdown was not for the OPs build? Great.

No. It’s a theoretical AC breakdown. Just like every other AC breakdown in this thread.

[Crarites]

Perhaps you should read futher? Just a tip. To make it less of a hassle for you:
That was before you said you wanted to use mentau goggles over Vod goggles. In that case the bs will always be ahead of the litany.

If you read some more, you will find where I post that BS + VOD = +6% more dps over Litany + Mentau, which is +1% more with aggro.

As I've indicated before you change your position, math and circumstances each time you find yourself on a loosing position. It starts at 1% then become 5% then becomes 6%. Your claims are all over the place, First its the god build now its the ravager. Now you do more dps then you do less, now you have toughness next you don't. You have subtle backstabber 4 and now you have 2 and wearring tharnes. Then you have icy and armor 8 bracers. The build is good for solo but no-one plays that way. You want to contribute to the thread and help people now you want to wreck it.

Your a walking talking stereotype.

[Yargore]

No. It’s a theoretical AC breakdown. Just like every other AC breakdown in this thread.

Yes, it's a theoretical AC breakdown, but it does not fit with the OPS build as he have chosen not to take those enhancments.

Still don't get it?

[Absolute-Omniscience]

o rly? you have stated a bunch of times in this thread (hurry go edit the posts yar!!) that you dont want 'new players to see a bad build' and that you only want to help, lolzrz. now you are saying that you are just here to rip, like we have been saying all along? hmm, ok, you are really discrediting the few positive additions you have made here.

i am not sure who your speaking of when you say the 'good ones'. is that a term you reserve for people who agree with you lol? that would fit yall's style for sure.

you guys are not outcasts, your ****ing dorks.


as i and many others have said, people around here pick each others builds apart all the time. when someone posts a build proposal, its what they are looking for. another set of eyes. but no one does it as rudely and with as much bias as you. you dont listen to the desires or parameters of the OP's. you simply keep posting the same drivel and say its right, just because you say so. this is not how it works.

Well, we're here to enlighten will still ripping, if your mind can comprehend what I mean with that.

No, the "good ones" are the ones who can actually compare with me.

That's where you're wrong. There is no one, no one with as little bias as us. You're just using that because I said it to you first basically. I have rerolled 10's of characters just because me or someone else found ways to improve, can you or anyone else say the same thing? Most people go around with the same character for years and keep telling their mind that they're the best just to justify their gimped character. I am not stuck with one build, or one character; I swap build / character once a month.

[winsom]

"Better" is a meaningless comparison in the actual game, if both builds (or more properly "the team") in question can succeed without undo hassle. "Better" is sometimes just a nitpick of numbers that do not always bear the real weight of application in the game we are talking about.

If "better" actually existed in DDO builds, as many people seem to believe it, then it would not be possible to do many of the achievements we see listed on this Forum, such as defeating the Shroud using masterwork clubs. The build in those cases help, but it is mostly the player's experience and adaptive teamwork that make all of the difference.

"Better" is more properly used to describe a true situation. A professional basketball team of elite players can not lose a game to a team of high school casual players. The professional team is thus "better", if you want to use the term that way. The term can not apply the same way in DDO builds unless it is specifically pointing out pitfalls in character design that should be avoided, usually due to lack of understanding what is useful in actual DDO game-play.

Ofcourse player skill and experience matters alot.
However, you can't deny that a player with a good build is better than the very same player with a bad build.

I think it is wiser to advise people of character-building pitfalls to avoid, rather than to assume and preach that there is a path of optimal character building.

[Aspenor]

As I've indicated before you change your position, math and circumstances each time you find yourself on a loosing position. It starts at 1% then become 5% then becomes 6%. Your claims are all over the place, First its the god build now its the ravager. Now you do more dps then you do less, now you have toughness next you don't. You have subtle backstabber 4 and now you have 2 and wearring tharnes. Then you have icy and armor 8 bracers. The build is good for solo but no-one plays that way. You want to contribute to the thread and help people now you want to wreck it.

Your a walking talking stereotype.

FWIW, I'm considering making a solo VOD attempt on my newest build once I get a few key pieces of gear. I want to see how few pots I can consume.

[QuantumFX]

Still don't get it?

That's correct. You don't get it.

[Absolute-Omniscience]

As I've indicated before you change your position, math and circumstances each time you find yourself on a loosing position. It starts at 1% then become 5% then becomes 6%. Your claims are all over the place, First its the god build now its the ravager. Now you do more dps then you do less, now you have toughness next you don't. You have subtle backstabber 4 and now you have 2 and wearring tharnes. Then you have icy and armor 8 bracers. The build is good for solo but no-one plays that way. You want to contribute to the thread and help people now you want to wreck it.

Your a walking talking stereotype.

Good thing you can keep up. I would suggest finding someone who goes at a lower pace, as I find it useless to quote ALL of my posts all the time. Good day, and may you one day improve your comprehention skills, for your and everyone elses sake.

To everyone else:
Feel free to read all the posts from where the BS vs litany started, you will find that I speak the truth and that Mr.Troll here aint smart enough to follow the discussion completly.

[kingfisher]

The bias here lies with you and your likes.

this from the guy that wants to count every possible theoretical advantage for his build but when comparing another build looks at it in the worst possible light? we went over this in the monster thread.

[Yargore]

As I've indicated before you change your position, math and circumstances each time you find yourself on a loosing position. It starts at 1% then become 5% then becomes 6%.

You do realise that comparing mentau + litany to tharnes + bloodstone and tharnes + litany to tharnes + bloodstone yields different results right?

If the result were not different, then I would worry. They are, so I don't know what you are complaining about?

[Yargore]

this from the guy that wants to count every possible theoretical advantage for his build but when comparing another build looks at it in the worst possible light? we went over this in the monster thread.

Give an example of that please.
You're extreme bias shows up once again.

[Absolute-Omniscience]

"Better" is a meaningless comparison in the actual game, if both builds (or more properly "the team") in question can succeed without undo hassle. "Better" is sometimes just a nitpick of numbers that do not always bear the real weight of application in the game we are talking about.

If "better" actually existed in DDO builds, as many people seem to beleive it, then it would not be possible to do many of the acheivements we see listed on this Forum, such as defeating the Shroud using masterwork holy clubs. The build in those cases help, but it is mostly the player's experience and adaptive teamwork that make all of the difference.

Better exists, it's just not needed. Call it winning an already won game, but faster. I don't care what you call it or what anyone else calls it. But I call 2 better than 1 in this case.

[Aspenor]

You do realise that comparing mentau + litany to tharnes + bloodstone and tharnes + litany to tharnes + bloodstone yields different results right?

If the result were not different, then I would worry. They are, so I don't know what you are complaining about?

It'd probably be more clear if you just put all the combinations and results in the same post....just a thought.

[Justicar]

Appears I forgot /ignore you.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/uttering
Now it should be obvious.

I said what does "uttering one self" mean. Not "uttering." I know the definition thank you very much. I am just wondering how you can "utter one self" online.

Maybe you should re-read it.

Before uttering one self one should really try to get all the facts.

Does it make any sense to you? Your sentence says, before I talk to myself, I should get all the facts. Why would I need to get all the facts before I talk to myself? So I can give a good argument to myself? Against myself?

And how exactly does one utter one self on a public internet forum? Uttering is a vocalization or audible expression. It says so right in your link. You cant utter in type. Maybe you should read your links before you post them.

Although it is kind of funny to watch you prove yourself wrong.

[Aspenor]

Does it make any sense to you? .

It makes sense if you look at it from a non-native speaker's point of view. From a native speaker's point of view, it's gibberish.

[Absolute-Omniscience]

I said what does "uttering one self" mean. Not "uttering." I know the definition thank you very much. I am just wondering how you can "utter one self" online.

Maybe you should re-read it.


Does it make any sense to you? Your sentence says, before I talk to myself, I should get all the facts. Why would I need to get all the facts before I talk to myself? So I can give a good argument to myself? Against myself?

And how exactly does one utter one self on a public internet forum? Uttering is a vocalization or audible expression. It says so right in your link. You cant utter in type. Maybe you should read your links before you post them.

Although it is kind of funny to watch you prove yourself wrong.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/oneself
Perhaps it becomes clear now, I wrote it in two words by misstake.
Uttering oneself can be translated to "speaking", to speak. Uttering to oneself on the other hand. That is what you explained.

At least as far as I know. Perhaps someone native to the language can prove that wrong as well. I do not mind, as knowledge is power.

[Yargore]

That's correct. You don't get it.

Sigh...
I know that he can change the build to gain more AC, but the thing is that he haven't. Those enhancements are not in his build, and that's what I've been trying to tell you.

I don't even the OP knows that he don't have them, when I told him that he didn't reach that AC he told me that I was wrong.
I am, however, not wrong. Just look in the **** OP if you wanna see it for yourself.

Writing the AC with one set of enhancments and the rest with another is very flawed.