Torthur Hareft; str based pure ranger

[Crarites]

Are you serious?
You said that litany gave more DPS than bloodstone, when AO proved you wrong you brought mentau goggls to save your ass, but then ofcourse I tell you that if you use mentau you can't use vod goggles, which adds quite alot to your DPS.
Can't you just admit that you were wrong or explain why litany gives higher DPS than bloodstone?

No I don't have maxed subtle backstabbing as that reqires level 13, I will get it in mod 9 though.
-20% from subtle backstabbing II and -20% from tharnes is what i got in mod 8.
Yes, I'm not talking abot God here, I'm talking about the build that AO used in the bloodstone vs litany calc.

He didn't prove me wrong he was wrong. See therein lies the difference. But to be clear are we talking about ravager, god , a rogue a cleric or a ranger?

[Absolute-Omniscience]

He didn't prove me wrong he was wrong. See therein lies the difference. But to be clear are we talking about ravager, god , a rogue a cleric or a ranger?

I posted a calc, it showed that BS was more dps. I was right. Post a calc showing us different.
Or stop with the "you're wrong, I'm right and I'm not tell you why" stuff. It adds nothing to the argument.

[Rhymer25]

Who I gods name said I would make a guide





This is how you should post your builds, not like the cluster-**** you have posted. Took me ages to compare em really and probably missed a lot as your layout is unreadable.

I'm not saying you need to make a guide, but you commented on the way Torthur posted his build noobskull.

[Absolute-Omniscience]

I'm not saying you need to make a guide, but you commented on the way Torthur posted his build noobskull.

Because it's unreadable. List all the important stuff up then comment on it.

[Inspire]

And who uses banishers in vale?

Use banishers(Rapiers) in Coal, Rainbow and Devils. Especially if you have IC; Peirce and a 13-20 or 15-20 critical range.

[Yargore]

He didn't prove me wrong he was wrong. See therein lies the difference. But to be clear are we talking about ravager, god , a rogue a cleric or a ranger?

No, he proved you wrong. So far you have only made statements without any facts to back them up.

Please show me how litany adds more DPS than bloodstone. I can only think of one way, and that's if you use marilith chain. But that is really self gimpage, so I strongly doubt that any of the "good powergamers" you know use it.


We are talking about The Ravager atm, as you said that if that build deals higher DPS, it gains aggro. Which is false.

[Crarites]

I posted a calc, it showed that BS was more dps. I was right. Post a calc showing us different.
Or stop with the "you're wrong, I'm right and I'm not tell you why" stuff. It adds nothing to the argument.

What you posted was garbage on a stick. Everytime i questioned what was attacking it becomes another build type. The point is what the best eq for a build is completely dependant on the role of the character.

Same with my respones about your build. Of course things can change, thats why this thread is here, to provide constructive feedback.

[KoboldKiller]

Because khopeshes deals higher DPS than DAs, even if you spend 12(!!)APs on them, and human gets imp recovery and extra str.
Human versality is also pretty good to have on a ranger.

All your stating is why Human may be better than Dwarf, it still doesn't explain how Dwarf is a poor choice, a poor choice would indicate it has no viability which is wrong. Not discounting your valid points but it seems to me it would depend on your plan for the build. Personally I like the axe enhancements the armor enhancements and the con enhancements.

[Crarites]

We are talking about The Ravager atm, as you said that if that build deals higher DPS, it gains aggro. Which is false.

Well I'm glad you finallydecided on what your comparing it too. Since you know your buddies comments weren't about the ravager.

[Yargore]

All your stating is why Human may be better than Dwarf, it still doesn't explain how Dwarf is a poor choice, a poor choice would indicate it has no viability which is wrong. Not discounting your valid points but it seems to me it would depend on your plan for the build. Personally I like the axe enhancements the armor enhancements and the con enhancements.

Dwarf is a poor choice because human is better. That's how I see it.

[Absolute-Omniscience]

All your stating is why Human may be better than Dwarf, it still doesn't explain how Dwarf is a poor choice, a poor choice would indicate it has no viability which is wrong. Not discounting your valid points but it seems to me it would depend on your plan for the build. Personally I like the axe enhancements the armor enhancements and the con enhancements.

Axe enhancements gots 12 ap and yields worse dps than khopesh without spent ap's. Armor enhancements are decently nice actually, but on a good build (monk splash) they are wasted. Con enhancements are wasted, well the first one can be decent; but Huaman can take one as well.

Dwarf has nothing that really synergines with Ranger. Whilst human has improved recover for better heals.

[Absolute-Omniscience]

Well I'm glad you finallydecided on what your comparing it too. Since you know your buddies comments weren't about the ravager.

The Dps calc I made was about the Ravager, as that was the calc I had most easily available. And it showed you that BS does infact yield higher dps; and that was what THAT argument was about. Any good powergamer uses bloodstone for dps, that was my original claim.

[Yargore]

Well I'm glad you finallydecided on what your comparing it too. Since you know your buddies comments weren't about the ravager.

What are you talking about?
Go look at the damned bloodstone vs litany calc and you'll see that it clearly says "The Ravager".

Please show me how litany is better than bloodstone.

[Rhymer25]

Dwarf is a poor choice because human is better. That's how I see it.

Much like most of your posts you initially post a statement as fact and you later back up that fact with opinion.

Oh and Absolute-noob please read OP for better gear selection, particularly the trinket slot.

For anyone that has just joined us this is a summery of the last 10 pages

Ab****-Yargore: This build is gimp

Other people: Why?

A.Y.: because it's gimp

Others: Why?

A.Y.: low AC low DPS and is not an MC.

Others: Much more to this build than AC and DPS. Plus the AC and DPS is actually very good when looked at in depth. We are not talking about MC

A.Y.: This build is gimp because it has low AC low DPS and is not an MC, here let me post a build with the same AC and DPS but with a much worse gear selection and min/max



(Now lets look at ten pages in the future)

A.Y. : Wow Rhymer you really proved us to be noobs. Thank you master, I'm going back to Europe now.

[KoboldKiller]

I think your use of synergy is out of context. Human recovery has nothing to do with being a Ranger. If for example human's were the only race that could receive wilderness lore then yes that would create synergy between the human race and Ranger class. As for Khopesh having higher dps I concede that but I also don't see it as a deal breaker. Not sure how improving your con is wasted but I guess it's a preference. The whole argument about race is a preference anyway. Someone could easily argue WF is the better race due to immunities.

[Crarites]

The Dps calc I made was about the Ravager, as that was the calc I had most easily available. And it showed you that BS does infact yield higher dps; and that was what THAT argument was about. Any good powergamer uses bloodstone for dps, that was my original claim.

What are you talking about?
Go look at the damned bloodstone vs litany calc and you'll see that it clearly says "The Ravager".

Please show me how litany is better than bloodstone.

Ohh i see your right. You did mention the Ravager. You'll have to excuse the fact that until that point we were talking about your god build and or as to then a fictional ranger. Well done.

Regardless litany + goggles is more dps when you have agro.

[Absolute-Omniscience]

Others: Much more to this build than AC and DPS. Plus the AC and DPS is actually very good when looked at in depth. We are not talking about MC

A.Y.: This build is gimp because it has low AC low DPS and is not an MC, here let me post a build with the same AC and DPS but with a much worse gear selection and min/max

No the ac and DPS is not good, in any single way. Everyone so far besides you and the OP seems to see that. And no, 50 selfbuffed ac with a survivability character is NOT good.
Please read through the build I made. +31% dps, +3ac in PA vs him in CE. +8 AC in CE vs him in CE. I don't call that the same ac, nor dps.

You're a biased fool, who really likes kissing ass.

[Absolute-Omniscience]

Ohh i see your right. You did mention the Ravager. You'll have to excuse the fact that until that point we were talking about your god build and or as to then a fictional ranger. Well done.

Regardless litany + goggles is more dps when you have agro.

Well done on reading the post! Applaudes to you, I guess you overlooked the calc as well. Sigh.

Regardless any pure ranger will never have aggro, not in my world. And certianlly not while playing with me or Yar. Period.

You are ~30 dps behind without aggro, and 6 dps ahead with aggro oh and you lose perma true seeing. Woopi-fkn-do. Please go back to the basics.

[KoboldKiller]

On a final note in regards to race, if Dwarf is so inferior then why is it the majority of str build Rangers I have seen are Dwarf?

[Absolute-Omniscience]

On a final note in regards to race, if Dwarf is so inferior then why is it the majority of str build Rangers I have seen are Dwarf?

Because they're built for mod 4-6, back when monks did not exist and giants were more common. And everyone refuses to reroll because
A. they're ignorant and thinks they're still the best.
B. They have a s-load of loot and it would take a while to perform better.