The Monster. 12 Fighter / 6 ranger / 2 monk

[Aaxeyu]

Yo aex,

Like i said previously i had ur monster at 20 shrouds just before ur post. I rerolled him subbing the monk levels for barb. Im liking him aot better than the barb. He feels less squishy even without the ac and the evasion. My starting stats were 18 str 14 dex 18 con to bump those hp even higher. Took my rgr levels last so i could max hide and MS ( just an extra i wanted to add). Hes lvl 13 and being transferred to thelanis. Im loving the extra run speed and the pip too hit with the rage. The beast is performing well and will be far better when the cap goes up. Hes gonna be a sick puppy for sure. U should roll one that 10% run and extra PA is NIIIIIICCCCEEEE.

N

Heya nick.

He is great for sure, but evasion is huuge.
My Monster doesn't feel any squishy at all, can solo lots of stuff endgame and my ac and evasion makes me avoid alot of damage.
Heh, why dould you need hide and MS when you can just rush past everything?

The extra PA isn't THAT great, I only have 2 enhancements in PA atm. But in mod 9 it will change ofc, as both of us will gain alot of tohit.

[Nick_RC]

Heya nick.

He is great for sure, but evasion is huuge.
My Monster doesn't feel any squishy at all, can solo lots of stuff endgame and my ac and evasion makes me avoid alot of damage.
Heh, why dould you need hide and MS when you can just rush past everything?

The extra PA isn't THAT great, I only have 2 enhancements in PA atm. But in mod 9 it will change ofc, as both of us will gain alot of tohit.

Evasions overrated. My version of squishy isnt probably the norm. As it ends I am already much preferring the hp/movement route over the evasion/ac. Glad ur enjoying urs. Each to their own and im glad this conversation took place as it made me think of how to change my original into something that suits my style more.

The hide and MS was for flavour and options. Nothing to actually work into a build just something i wanted. Certain encounters are far easily avoided and less resource itensive just slinking though than rushing - i normally rush but sometimes that jsut ends up with an entire instance in one spot.

N

[Aaxeyu]

Evasions overrated. My version of squishy isnt probably the norm. As it ends I am already much preferring the hp/movement route over the evasion/ac. Glad ur enjoying urs. Each to their own and im glad this conversation took place as it made me think of how to change my original into something that suits my style more.

The hide and MS was for flavour and options. Nothing to actually work into a build just something i wanted. Certain encounters are far easily avoided and less resource itensive just slinking though than rushing - i normally rush but sometimes that jsut ends up with an entire instance in one spot.

N

Personaly I love evasion, it's pricelss in many situations.
I had the same opinion about AC and evasion when I only played my old barb, I didn't feel squishy at all. But having an intimi tank with 80 ac and 2 fighters with evasion and high ac have redefined squishiness for me.

Yea, I figured

[Dratz5]

I have this build made on Sarlona , it is Amazing DPS and will be even better after cap. Mine is a Dwarf with about a 60AC self buffed and no sacrifices against my DPS. I pretty much have all the same feats except i use DA with enhancements so i have a rocking Attack and can hit pretty much anything with PA on no matter what. This build is great hope you enjoy it too.

[Aaxeyu]

I have this build made on Sarlona , it is Amazing DPS and will be even better after cap. Mine is a Dwarf with about a 60AC self buffed and no sacrifices against my DPS. I pretty much have all the same feats except i use DA with enhancements so i have a rocking Attack and can hit pretty much anything with PA on no matter what. This build is great hope you enjoy it too.

Hey Drazt.

Amazing DPS is an understatement, can't wait to mod 9
60 AC is nice, with that AC and the very high dps you are probably unstoppable^^

I really enjoy it, it's my favorite toon.

[Dratz5]

Hey Drazt.

Amazing DPS is an understatement, can't wait to mod 9
60 AC is nice, with that AC and the very high dps you are probably unstoppable^^

I really enjoy it, it's my favorite toon.

Yea bro I totally agree Favorite toon Yet! cant wait for cap to hit.

[eyepuppy]

What good is killing things when you can't heal yourself...

[Aaxeyu]

What good is killing things when you can't heal yourself...

Casters and clerics are not that rare, and when you kill stuff as fast as the monster you won't need so much healing.

[maddmatt70]

Pure fighter level 20 does more dps then your monster build..

[eyepuppy]

Casters and clerics are not that rare, and when you kill stuff as fast as the monster you won't need so much healing.

Yeah... But you force yourself to run with a caster or cleric. No self buffs etc...

[Aaxeyu]

Pure fighter level 20 does more dps then your monster build..

A pure WF fighter will actually have 6 more DPS than the monster.
Needless to say, the pure fighter will be even better against non FE, but the monster catches up when it comes to mobs with fortification and in shorter fights, and fact is, most fights don't last 5 min.
A pure fighter is imo gimped in comparison, no evasion and lower saves, but he have slightly more dps.

[Aaxeyu]

Yeah... But you force yourself to run with a caster or cleric. No self buffs etc...

Not really, I have other toons I can play when I don't run with a caster or cleric.
And I can do lots of quests without a caster or cleric, dont underestimate 58 AC, evasion and really high dps.

[eyepuppy]

Not really, I have other toons I can play when I don't run with a caster or cleric.
And I can do lots of quests without a caster or cleric, dont underestimate 58 AC, evasion and really high dps.

I have pretty much the same build, only dwarf and 2 rogue instead of monk. It's a nice build, just not something I would want to play. I like solo play.

Like it was said before. You should not include fighter haste boost into the calculation because you can't keep it active for 5 minutes and it take a good half a second to activate. You will also probably not be able to activate power surge and haste boost anyway.

[Cold_Stele]

Not really, A pure WF fighter have actually 1 less DPS than the monster
Needless to say, the pure fighter will be better against non FE, but the monster catches up when it comes to mobs with fortification.
And a pure fighter is imo gimped in comparison, no evasion and lower saves, but he have slightly more dps against non FEs.

What about the 2 extra action boosts (and I believe you said Monster's power came from it's boosts) or Superior Weapon Spec?

Or the fact that you have only 2 Favored Enemies so an awful lot of the game content will be non FE?

Oh and my (originally 8 Wis) Ftr has an unbuffed Will save of 19 (or 21 with HOGF), 2 higher than yours.

You're right about Evasion though, I don't have that crutch.

[Aaxeyu]

What about the 2 extra action boosts (and I believe you said Monster's power came from it's boosts) or Superior Weapon Spec?

Or the fact that you have only 2 Favored Enemies so an awful lot of the game content will be non FE?

Oh and my (originally 8 Wis) Ftr has an unbuffed Will save of 19 (or 21 with HOGF), 2 higher than yours.

You're right about Evasion though, I don't have that crutch.

Yea, I counted 10 haste boosts, but not superior weapon spec, are you sure that it will come for mod 9?

BTW, I was wrong about the dps, I forgot to add 9 damage from songs in my calculation, I used the old 8-.-

Here is the saves:

Saves Unbuffed at level 20
Fortitude: 30 (32 vs spells + 1 vs favored)
Reflex: 31 (33 vs spells + 1 vs favored)
Will: 23 (25 vs spells + 1 vs favored)

Saves Self Buffed at level 20
Fortitude: 34(39) (30 + 4 GH + 2 vs spells + 1 vs favored)
Reflex: 36(40) (31 + 4 GH + 1 haste + 2 vs spells + 1 vs favored)
Will: 27(30) (23 + 4 GH +2 vs spells + 1 vs favored)

Able to boost it with +2 to all saves using: Head.

[Cold_Stele]

superior weapon spec, are you sure that it will come for mod 9?

Not 100% but it's a logical progression given that the devs have already put in SWF at 16 (which I have on my Ftr now). So the progression goes

1 - WF
4 - WS
8 - GWF
12 - GWS
16 - SWF (made up by devs but already in game)
20 - SWS?

Who knows for definite though? /shrug

[Borror0]

Today, I have had some interaction with Sickness (Aaxeyu) on the EU forums.

It has triggered a sea of PMs in which the powergamer community of both EU severs wanted to distance themselves from him. I figured it may be somehting worth to pointing out, if only out of courtesy toward the powergamers on the EU servers. Clearly, their reputation has been attacked in this thread.

[Ollathir]

Today, I have had some interaction with Sickness (Aaxeyu) on the EU forums.

It has triggered a sea of PMs in which the powergamer community of both EU severs wanted to distance themselves from him. I figured it may be somehting worth to pointing out, if only out of courtesy toward the powergamers on the EU servers. Clearly, their reputation has been attacked in this thread.

Fun read Borror0. I guess what astonishes me about this lengthy thread here is not the miscalculations so much as the ignorance of actually believing this build to be original or infallible. I believe in my heart of hearts the Devs purposly alternated the meat of both Ranger and Fighter classes to accomodate the hundreds of 6 Ranger, 10 Fighters in play. They know as well as anyone that Barbarian = Supreme DPS, if not, the entire class has no purpose being in the game, right?

I see words in the EU thread like "Narcissistic build", "Pleonasm" (perfect for this thread). But my favorite, and still making me LMAO, is from "aLiis" who writes:

"I am the monster"

If a mob cant be crit...rogue sux...thats why I rock...
If a mob can be crit...I rocks.......because I dont invite rogue...

If a mob can be killed in 8 mins, I rock, as I am a 8 mins superman
If a mob cant be killed in 8 mins, you sux. So I wont group with you.

If a mob has 1millions hp, I rock, because it takes 8 mins to kill.
If a mob has 10million hp, all sux, because I cant kill it in 8 mins.

If a mob is too weak, dev sux, because i build for dps.
If a mob is too strong, dex sux, because I cant be a superman.

If I had 400max hp and died, cleric sux, so I wont gp with u.
If I had 500max hp and dont die, I sux, because I dont need so many hp.

If you self buff, you sux. I always ask for buff.
If you self heal, you sux. I always ask for heal.

If you have 100ac, you sux, because we only dps.
If you have 8 ac, you sux, because we will need ac.

If you dont have evasion, you sux, because I have it.
If you outdps me, you sux, because I am the dps king.

Priceless and well put aliis, I wish you had been the one to borrow an account to post on US forums.

[Borror0]

Priceless and well put aliis, I wish you had been the one to borrow an account to post on US forums.

It's actually a quote from ForwardWu. As for borrowing an account, Mayce sounds like a cool guy too.

[kingfisher]

A pure WF fighter will actually have 6 more DPS than the monster.
Needless to say, the pure fighter will be even better against non FE, but the monster catches up when it comes to mobs with fortification and in shorter fights, and fact is, most fights don't last 5 min.
A pure fighter is imo gimped in comparison, no evasion and lower saves, but he have slightly more dps.

lol

this sounds like the same arguement you used AGAINST the temp III and now you are using it FOR the monster, as in the "slightly less dps but more survivable tempIII vs higher burst dps monster with no healing" and you said 'oh yeah the monster wins'. now its "slightly less dps but more survivable monster vs higher dps pure fighter with no evaision" and you say 'oh yeah the monster wins'

too funny