Question about Healer's friend

[Gornn]

So I'm considering making a WF melee guy and am considering taking healer's friend.

How exactly does it work? I know cure spells are reduced by 50%

Healer's friend 1 - +15%
2 - +20
3+ 25

I'm assuming these don't stack, would I be correct?

And since I'm assuming they don't stack, I'm assumnig 10 AP is a LOT to spend for an extra 10% of healing.

What do you WF tanks do? Take HF 2 and 3 or not? (For 2 AP 1 is worth it IMHO)

Thanks!

[Freeman]

No, they don't stack. The first level might be worthwhile at low levels. After clerics get Heal, many WF don't even both keeping that one. I don't think the second and third tiers are ever worth the cost.

[slaymen]

You have it right on 1 - 15% 2 - 20% 3- 25%. I think the ap cost is way too much to only get 25%, I took healers 2 on my robot and planning on getting hound bracers for another 10%.

[WeaselKing]

Only take the first tier, unless you really need the points for something else, then take none.

[Gornn]

Cool! Thanks guys. I have enough AP for the build I'm working on that 2 for 15% won't kill me.

True point abuot the heal, but I'm thinking more for mass heals during the shroud, until mod 9 and mass heal comes out

[unionyes]

There is a reason it's called 'Healers Friend' and not 'WF Friend'.

At low levels, I take tier 1 and sometimes tier 2. It keeps the Cleric's happy when they cast (or more importantly to them wand whip) at me and don't feel like their manna and/or plat for wands is being wasted because I didn't take Healers Friend.

By the time you start running with Clerics with Heal spells, they will be bragging about how much healing it does, even to a WF. You can drop the Healers Friend and take something else with those points. They will be able to refill your Health bar with one cast, or at least most of the way.

If you aren't going to take Healers Friend, be ready for Clerics who will either complain about you being a manna sponge, or else not heal you altogether. These situations, as frustrating as they may be (for example when the cleric runs past you while you are incapped to wand whip someone who is at 70% health, or else the cleric tops everyone up but you before shrining with 20% of a blue bar left) can be overcome.

If you don't have Healers Friend, carry some repair wands and give them to the arcane casters. I don't mind topping up WFs after fights on my sorc or wizzie, but also be warned that most arcanes will NOT be watching your health bar during a fight. Carry repair pots for those emergencies, and the cheaper wands for in between fight top ups.

Taking tier three of Healers Friend is just silly, IMO. Its a ton of AP's for little benefit, and by then the Clerics will be going on about how their Heal did X amount of healing 'even to the wf'.

[Freeman]

Cool! Thanks guys. I have enough AP for the build I'm working on that 2 for 15% won't kill me.

True point abuot the heal, but I'm thinking more for mass heals during the shroud, until mod 9 and mass heal comes out

My wife's WF barb doesn't have any, and she didn't have any problems in the Shroud, even at level 13. If you have the AP, then it is definitely an option, but it is hardly a requirement. At least with enhancements, it is easy to swap them around until you decide what you want. My WF is a wizard, so I can generally take care of myself anyway.

[rezo]

Clr.'s shouldn't have to heal WF all the time it's the casters job to that's why they get repair spells.

[MrCow]

For most Warforged who don't self-repair, Healer's Friend I is usually the way to go. However, if you plan to hunt out items to increase your incoming Divine Healing such as Levik's Bracers (+20% healing) or are a Warforged Monk (Monk Recovery) then you may consider going further. Healing amplification is mainly multiplicative and thus takes a large hit when the base healing starts from a decimal. Some numbers to attempt to illustrate the point.

Base Warforged Healing
0.5 = 0.5 healing received

Base Warforged Healing with Levik's
0.5 * 1.2 = 0.6 healing received

Healer's Friend I
0.65 = 0.65 healing received

Healer's Friend I with Levik's
0.65 * 1.2 = 0.78 healing received

Healer's Friend II
0.7 = 0.7 healing received

Healer's Friend II with Levik's
0.7 = 0.84 healing received

Healer's Friend III
0.75 = 0.75 healing received

Healer's Friend III with Levik's
0.75 = 0.90 healing received

Or if you prefer a table format more:

	100%	110%	120%	130%	140%	150%
0.5	0.5	0.55	0.6	0.65	0.7	0.75
0.65	0.65	0.715	0.78	0.845	0.91	0.975
0.7	0.7	0.77	0.84	0.91	0.98	1.05
0.75	0.75	0.825	0.9	0.975	1.05	1.125

[Gornn]

Thanks for that chart Mr. Cow! it's prettty sweet. The only WF I have is a wizzy so I didn't bother with healer's friend.

Thanks for all the input guys. Really appreciate it.

[unionyes]

Clr.'s shouldn't have to heal WF all the time it's the casters job to that's why they get repair spells.

This is why you need to take Healers Friend at low levels and advertise it. Put it in your bio, put it in party chat before the quest, bring it up in casual conversation.

'Hey, nice pull, I have run Durks six times now and still no Muckbane for me. Did I mention that I have Healers Friend?'

'Say, that's a nice axe you have there, what is it, Pure Good? Also, I have Healers Friend'

'Does anyone need these arrows from the chest? I don't even carry a bow....although I do have Healers Friend!'

'Does anyone know if the two levels of Healers Friend that I have will affect these Cure Mod pots?'

'Nice weather we are having. I have Healers Friend. Did I mention that I have Healers Friend? Because I have Healers Friend. In case you were wondering. Just wanted to point out that I have Healers Friend.'

[slaymen]

LOL greasy that is funny but totally true. If you don't let people know you have healers friend you won't get healed.

[Junts]

So I'm considering making a WF melee guy and am considering taking healer's friend.

How exactly does it work? I know cure spells are reduced by 50%

Healer's friend 1 - +15%
2 - +20
3+ 25

I'm assuming these don't stack, would I be correct?

And since I'm assuming they don't stack, I'm assumnig 10 AP is a LOT to spend for an extra 10% of healing.

What do you WF tanks do? Take HF 2 and 3 or not? (For 2 AP 1 is worth it IMHO)

Thanks!

the best wf tanks I know have healers friend 1 and then use levik's bracers to get to 85%, which is really enough to be healed by mass heals etc without a noticable dropoff; 50% healing wf have a tendancy to need extra heal spells now and again if no one's around to reconstruct them.

[mediocresurgeon]

Healer's Friend helps in situations where your party is being healed with mass cure spells. In long fights where there is lots of damage being thrown around, warforged sometimes fall behind on the healing because they receive less of it. Healer's Friend is not by any means a requirement for warforged tanks, but the more HP your warforged has the nicer it is. Also, without Healer's Friend your healing amplification equipment is only half as effective, since the +% of healing amplification is based off of the total healing you would have received without the item.

Example: You get hit with a 110 point Heal scroll. You don't have healer's friend, so you only get 55 points of healing. You're wearing the Hound bracers (+20% healing amp). Therefore, you get healed for 66 points (55 * 1.2 = 66).

Example 2: You get hit with a 110 point heal scroll. You have Healer's Friend III, so you get 82 points of healing. You're wearing the Hound bracers (+20% healing amp). Therefore, you get healed for 98 points (82 * 1.2 = 98).

If you have a good cleric with inexhaustible mana with you 24/7, you do not need Healer's Friend. However, when clerics switch to scroll healing it is very easy for monster damage to outpace the scrolls heals. This is especially true of Mass Cure spells from scrolls. Since I tend to see my fair share of PUG clerics, I have plenty of Healer's Friend and healing amplification items just to be a little more forgiving to the clerics.

[BlackSteel]

I use only the first tier on both my barbs. If the enhancements were half the price I'd consider them, but at 4 and 6 AP for the last two, its just too much.

[cdbd3rd]

	100%	110%	120%	130%	140%	150%
0.5	0.5	0.55	0.6	0.65	0.7	0.75
0.65	0.65	0.715	0.78	0.845	0.91	0.975
0.7	0.7	0.77	0.84	0.91	0.98	1.05
0.75	0.75	0.825	0.9	0.975	1.05	1.125

Never had paid much attention to HF, but Jeepthing just got enough APs to look at tier II so came looking for the intel.
II and III not stacking is ludicrous.

[Novacat]

Does the 10% from the docent of blood stack with Levik's?

[Fenrisulven6]

Clr.'s shouldn't have to heal WF all the time it's the casters job to that's why they get repair spells.

Yah, can we get a response to this?

My cleric ran with a WF group last night through VON. Lots of fun and I considered it a challenge to keep them up.

But, I'm already taking DV enhancements to augment the mage/sorcs, so why isn't the burden to heal WF on them instead?

[Robi3.0]

Unless your name is IamaWFdon'thealme my cleric doesn't then notice who's WF in the party when she throws heals. I guess my point is all I see is red bars. Healer's friend is nice but I really don't think it is required. The only time I get angry is when I am out of mana and wand wiping after fights and you just stand there looking dumb and not helping Heal yourself, but that ****es me of rather your a meatbag or mechanical.

[SimVerg]

the best wf tanks I know have healers friend 1 and then use levik's bracers to get to 85%, which is really enough to be healed by mass heals etc without a noticable dropoff; 50% healing wf have a tendancy to need extra heal spells now and again if no one's around to reconstruct them.

The best wf tanks you know have hf 2 + levik's.