Extreme Monk Build

**Madhatternynja2007** · 02-09-2009, 06:36 AM

This is my monk build only doable with 32 points, and 4 +2 tomes. Those who are interested have to invest real time to get him working.

**Reworking Now**

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Rhadamanthos 
Level 16 Lawful Good Dwarf Male
(16 Monk) 
Hit Points: 232
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 12\12\17\22
Fortitude: 13
Reflex: 13
Will: 14

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Modified Stats      Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 16)           (Level 16)
Strength             16                 26                   22
Dexterity            15                 22/23                17
Constitution         14                 24                   16
Intelligence          8                  8                    8
Wisdom               16                 30                   18
Charisma              6                  6                    6

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 1
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 1
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 1
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 1

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills        Base Skills        Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)          (Level 16)          (Level 16)
Balance               3                  3                    7
Bluff                -2                 -2                   -2
Concentration         7                 22                   22
Diplomacy            -2                 -2                   -2
Disable Device       n/a               n/a                   n/a
Haggle               -2                 -2                   -2
Heal                  4                  4                    4
Hide                  3                  3                    3
Intimidate           -2                 -2                   -2
Jump                  4                  6                    6
Listen                4                  4                    4
Move Silently         3                  3                    3
Open Lock             n/a               n/a                   n/a
Perform              n/a               n/a                   n/a
Repair               -1                 -1                   -1
Search               -1                 -1                    1
Spot                  8                 23                   23
Swim                  4                  6                    6
Tumble                7                 22                   22
Use Magic Device     n/a               n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+4)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Dodge
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Dwarven Stability
Feat: (Automatic) Dwarven Stonecutting
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Kama
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Shuriken
Feat: (Automatic) Finishing Moves
Feat: (Automatic) Flurry of Blows
Feat: (Automatic) Giant Evasion
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Ki Strike: Damage
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Handaxe
Feat: (Automatic) Orc and Goblin Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Poison Save Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency: Club
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency: Dagger
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency: Heavy Crossbow
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency: Light Crossbow
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency: Quarterstaff
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency: Unarmed
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Spell Save Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip
Feat: (Automatic) Unarmed Strike


Level 2 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) Evasion
Feat: (Automatic) Meditation


Level 3 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Fast Movement
Feat: (Automatic) Still Mind


Level 4 (Monk)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Ki Strike: Magic
Feat: (Automatic) Slow Fall


Level 5 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) AC Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Purity of Body


Level 6 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Stunning Fist
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 7 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Wholeness of Body


Level 8 (Monk)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)


Level 9 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Evasion


Level 10 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Ki Strike: Lawful


Level 11 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Diamond Body


Level 12 (Monk)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons
Feat: (Automatic) Abundant Step


Level 13 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Diamond Soul


Level 14 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)


Level 15 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Quivering Palm


Level 16 (Monk)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Ki Strike: Adamantine

I did not include which enchancements to take, that is personal choice, however I will comment on final stats. I modified them to represent what they should be including enhancements and stances. If you need a readout for the enhancements and when to take them, go find a new game to play.

**InfidelofHaLL** · 02-09-2009, 06:51 AM

mmm waht are you going for with this build cuz its ac won't be that high from just basic math doing on it

**Impaqt** · 02-09-2009, 10:34 AM

A Second Toughness feat makes him Extreme?

I'd take IC at level 12 instead of the useless 2nd Toughness.

**icculus** · 02-09-2009, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by Madhatternynja2007

This is my extreme monk build only doable with 32 points, and 4 +2 tomes and a +1 tome. Those who are interested have to invest real time to get him working. I know certain parts of it don't make sense but will explain later. Work time.

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Constitution         11                 12                   12

The only thing extreme about this 'build' is the complete and utter waste of tomes... Drop WIS to 14 and pump CON up as a minimum

**esoitl** · 02-09-2009, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by icculus

The only thing extreme about this 'build' is the complete and utter waste of tomes... Drop WIS to 14 and pump CON up as a minimum

He didn't do any enhancements so far and already said he was to update later....
Even with enhancements though a base 14 CON is still low for a melee and considering the ammount of +2 tomes used it doesn't seem like a solid investment.

*shrug*

**Impaqt** · 02-09-2009, 10:57 AM

Wait a second....

Strength 16
Dexterity 15
Constitution 11
Intelligence 11
Wisdom 16
Charisma 6

STR 8-16 = 10 Build Points
Dex 8-15 = 8 Build Points
Con 10-11= 1 Build Point
INT 8-11 = 3 Build Points
Wis 6-16 = 16 Build Points

Its a 38 Point Build....

that IS Extreme!!!!!!!

**Zuldar** · 02-09-2009, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by Impaqt

Wis 6-16 = 16 Build Points

Dwarves don't get a wis penalty.

**Impaqt** · 02-09-2009, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by Zuldar

Dwarves don't get a wis penalty.

Doh, My bad, was thining Warforged.

**GlassCannon** · 02-09-2009, 11:44 AM

Punchy got Moved!

**icculus** · 02-09-2009, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by GlassCannon

Cure Serious potions become a serious aid instead of a joke...

Unless this is your desired goal, you do not have anywhere near the HPs required to justify that much Healing Amp.

**rimble** · 02-09-2009, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by icculus

Unless this is your desired goal, you do not have anywhere near the HPs required to justify that much Healing Amp.

Getting Curse of Healing to heal up to 5 or 6 a punch sounds kinda nice...

**GlassCannon** · 02-09-2009, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by icculus

Unless this is your desired goal, you do not have anywhere near the HPs required to justify that much Healing Amp.

The average High HP build has between 300-400 HP. Use items.

The average Exploit HP or Sacrificial Damage Soaker(damageable scenery, not good for much else) is over 600, and often doesn't justify even being in the same instance with a party. The Damage Soaker has the DPS of a level 1 plus all the buffs and whatnot that you only get in Raids(just bring a Hireling instead), and has around 800-1k+ HP. It's like bringing a spare HP bar that you can't use, that you have to try to keep full.

**Garth_of_Sarlona** · 02-09-2009, 01:07 PM

My monk has 40% human, 30% monk, 20% dragontouched == 1.4*1.3*1.2 = 2.184 healing and I get 3 or 4 points per punch from Curse of Healing.

It's quite nice - but I think once you get past the 200% point it's not worth using any slots or enhancements to go any futher.

Garth

**icculus** · 02-09-2009, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by GlassCannon

The average High HP build has between 300-400 HP. Use items.

You and the rest of the DDO builders have VERY different definitions of 'high'.

But while you can reach that may HP, what you said was

Originally Posted by GlassCannon

This means that with DT armor and Fleshmaker, a Heal that would cure you for 200 points would instead cure you for 400.

which clearly indicates that you have significantly more healing amp than required.

**Nick_RC** · 02-09-2009, 01:09 PM

[QUOTE=GlassCannon;2045419]Punchy of Argonessen(Ipunchbabies)

WAIT. YOUR IPUNCHBABIES. I always wondered who your toons were.

N

**Zuldar** · 02-09-2009, 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by Impaqt

Doh, My bad, was thining Warforged.

A warforged would make for an interesting version.

**GlassCannon** · 02-10-2009, 05:34 AM

Originally Posted by nick_robinsonchia

WAIT. YOUR IPUNCHBABIES. I always wondered who your toons were.

N

He'll get a Premuim Rename once I kickstart a new business. For now, serving the needs of the community...

Sometimes I wonder why it's so hard to get things done...

**GlassCannon** · 02-10-2009, 05:39 AM

Originally Posted by willphase

My monk has 30% human, 30% monk, 20% dragontouched == 1.3*1.3*1.2 = 2.028 healing and I get 3 or 4 points per punch from Curse of Healing.

It's quite nice - but I think once you get past the 200% point it's not worth using any slots or enhancements to go any futher.

Garth

Fixed that for you - Humans cannot attain 40% Racial Healing Amp.

Test referenced in the post in another thread. Stacking is multiplicative, but not quite working right for some reason... the Sovereignty should be tossing 2230 not 2130

With DT 30% it should be 2,417 from the 1,000 HP Dragonmark Heal.

**Madhatternynja2007** · 02-10-2009, 06:20 AM

I had written this really long reply yesterday when I was trying to look at something on another page it wiped my reply by changing pages, so I just said screw it. As to people making jokes about this being the "EXTREME MONK BUILD" I used this title to draw people to it and hopefully get some input that would help or make we wipe this plan out, so far that has not happened. The basis behind this build is to quash all the ideas that monks are a one per group class, that we are a worthless class. I am hoping to make this build very resistant, ie high saves/decent AC/good DPS.

I am not saying the DPS will be like a 4x raged Barb, but it will be better than the average monk who went pure Dex or even pure Str. As to the enhancements I am taking, they aren't such a major part of the build, except the animal paths and the stances. I am planning to take all 4 stances up to tier 2 at least. The animal path I am still a little undecided on, more than likely I am going to take the monkey for the extra points to energy resists.

My final stats, since it doesn't allow me to directly give my final totals as I want them I am going to add them here.

Str: 26 (28 total out of water)
Dex: 22 (Lower then norm dex, but high Wis will help recover from this.)
Con: 20 (+2 from Dwarf Racial Enchancements)
Int: 13
Wis: 30 (3rd Tier Water Stance)
Char: 6

I am surprised that no one commented on me taking both CE/PA, however since I mentioned them let me explain. I know only one can be on at a time. I do plan to use them depending on the situation, such as during trash mobs I will be using CE to help reduce the amount of damage I take from them. PA will be used during fights when DPS is more important or armor means nothing 98% of the time anyway.

Thank you for your comments, more than likely I am going to continue on with this build.

**Aesop** · 02-10-2009, 06:54 AM

Originally Posted by GlassCannon

Punchy of Argonessen(Ipunchbabies)

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Level 16 Lawful Good Human Male
(16 Monk) 
Hit Points: 249
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 12\12\17\22
Fortitude: 13
Reflex: 13
Will: 14

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 16)           (Level 16)        Gear Modifiers
Strength             16                 23                   24                 +6(30)
Dexterity            15                 17                   17                 +6(26 in Wind 3)
Constitution         14                 16                   16                 +6(22)
Intelligence         10                 12                   12                 +6(18, Optional for INT runes, not a constant value)
Wisdom               14                 16                   18                 +6(24)
Charisma              8                  8(10)                8(10)             +6(With Haggle 13 item, used for selling junk gear that is not worth mailing to the Bard)

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 1
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 1
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 1
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 1
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 1
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 16
+2 Tome of Charisma used at 1750 Favor

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills        Base Skills        Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)          (Level 16)          (Level 16)
Balance               3                 22                   22
Bluff                -1                 -1                   -1
Concentration         7                 22                   26
Diplomacy            -1                 -1                   -1
Disable Device        n/a               n/a                   n/a
Haggle               -1                 -1                   -1
Heal                  3                  4                    4
Hide                  3                  3                    3
Intimidate           -1                 -1                   -1
Jump                  8                 20                   20
Listen                7                 23                   23
Move Silently         3                  3                    3
Open Lock             n/a               n/a                   n/a
Perform              n/a               n/a                   n/a
Repair                1                  1                    1
Search                1                  1                    1
Spot                  7                 23                   23
Swim                  8                 26                   26
Tumble                n/a                4                    4
Use Magic Device     n/a               n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+4)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Listen (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Swim (+4)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Dodge
Feat: (Human Bonus) Power Attack
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Kama
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Shuriken
Feat: (Automatic) Finishing Moves
Feat: (Automatic) Flurry of Blows
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Ki Strike: Damage
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Handaxe
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency: Club
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency: Dagger
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency: Heavy Crossbow
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency: Light Crossbow
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency: Quarterstaff
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency: Unarmed
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip
Feat: (Automatic) Unarmed Strike
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Disciple of Breezes
Enhancement: Disciple of Candles


Level 2 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Stunning Fist
Feat: (Automatic) Evasion
Feat: (Automatic) Meditation
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortiose I
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom I


Level 3 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Mobility
Feat: (Automatic) Fast Movement
Feat: (Automatic) Still Mind
Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Fists of Light


Level 4 (Monk)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Listen (+2)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Ki Strike: Magic
Feat: (Automatic) Slow Fall
Enhancement: Disciple of Pebbles
Enhancement: Disciple of Puddles
Enhancement: Monk Concentration I


Level 5 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) AC Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Purity of Body
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortiose II


Level 6 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+3)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Spring Attack
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Path of Harmonious Light
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Adept of Wind


Level 7 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Swim (+2)
Feat: (Automatic) Wholeness of Body
Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery II


Level 8 (Monk)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II


Level 9 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Evasion
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom II


Level 10 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Ki Strike: Lawful
Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortiose III


Level 11 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Diamond Body
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery III


Level 12 (Monk)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons
Feat: (Automatic) Abundant Step
Enhancement: Master of Thunder


Level 13 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Diamond Soul


Level 14 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery III
Enhancement: Adept of Flame


Level 15 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Quivering Palm
Enhancement: Eagle Claw Attack
Enhancement: Master of Bonfires


Level 16 (Monk)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Ki Strike: Adamantine
Enhancement: Unbalancing Strike
Enhancement: Adept of Rain

I need to log in to correct a few things, and add a Gear Layout. 2d8 per swat base damage at lvl 16 is nice at GTWF... The feat at lvl 6 for Class bonus was Fist of Light prereq, he doesn't actually have Toughness(yet). With GFL, Minos Legens and a +6 CON item at lvl 16 he has 321 HP and can effectively heal himself in VOD if the Clerics are busy with other things. This efficacy will increase to being able to solo Arraetrikos when he attains 400 Silver Flame favor and begins carrying the potions I have heard rumors about.

Incoming heals are amplified at 60% before items. Toss Hound bracers on the build, 80%. Fleshmaker necklace, 90%. Dragontouched Armor with 30% amp, 100%(bracers don't stack, but Fleshmaker does). This means that with DT armor and Fleshmaker, a Heal that would cure you for 200 points would instead cure you for 400. At this point, Cure Serious potions become a serious aid instead of a joke that may just make a monster laugh for that one moment you need to survive.

Something is seriously messed up in this... the Feats don't match up and there are other major inconsistancies.

It may be something in the coding.... but I see

Dodge
Mobility
Spring Attack

TWF
ITWF
GTWF

IC: Bludgeon

Stunning Fist

Power Attack

I also see 2 Racial Toughness Enhancements...

something isn't right here

you also have Path of HArmonious Balance at lvl 6 and it should be at level 3

yeah I'd double check this

Aesop

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