W/P may have already been nurfed?

[osirisisis]

30 runs or not, being beaten in kill count in ONE run is meaningless. Was it 99 kills to your 2? or 30 to your 29? Makes a huge difference. Did he have better striders, and threfore get extra attacks in before you caught up? Where you both always hasted, or did he drink haste pots while you plodded along unhasted? Is your attack bonus pathetically low compared to his? Where you ever afk for 20mins, or did the group start before you went in? Were you ever a lever puller? Was his connection significantly better than yours? Was the vorpal ranger a 36 str power attacker with scimetars made of bloodstones and favored enemy dwarf + human, vs your 8 str dex/wisdom FotM exploiter build?

The above (and I'm sure dozens of other factors) could easily explain the differences. The fact that you are whining about ONE run, with ONE guy is more telling than anything else. Especially in pop, which is hardly the best place to use WoP. I really wouldnt be surprised if most of the kills in there were DPS related, rather than due to vorps or wounding.

To answer your questions Lithic: 21 to 16 no, yes, no, no, no, no, no, no, and I stated in the post he was a dex finesse (learn to read) and I serous doubt it but don't know and as for comment of "meaning less" I disagree.

[osirisisis]

The answer is obvious. He had greater two weapon fighting (12 ranger) and you didn't (10 ranger).

If in doubt, post me your wops and I'll check them out for ya. Gratis

I think this is a definite factor.

[Lithic]

To answer your questions Lithic: 21 to 16 no, yes, no, no, no, no, no, no, and I stated in the post he was a dex finesse (learn to read) and I serous doubt it but don't know and as for comment of "meaning less" I disagree.

OMG this from the guy who spells his favorite weapon RAPIOR, constantly and consistently regardless of how often he is corrected.

[GlassCannon]

I had a Barbarian suddenly start zerging a couple weeks back. My new Arcane Archer had about 10 more kills at the end of one quest than he and so the next quest he ran off before anyone was in the quest and was trying to kill everything before we could get to it. I shook my head and pulled out a wand to keep him alive since he was taking twice as much damage as he needed to trying to keep his Kill Count higher.

The things that really aggravated the Ftr2/Monk1/Ranger(Rapiers... you get the drift.) and Barbarian16 TWF W/P build(Rapiers, Rage Crit 2, named items, etc... though I did see him pull out some Heavy Picks at one point.), were: Quivering Palm, Stunning Fist, Monk Speed, Abundant Step, +1 Banishing Handwraps, +1 Paralyzing Handwraps, Power Attack and +5 Holy handwraps. Apparently that setup is enough to make any exploitative kill-count specialist want to reroll.

[Noctus]

2 reasons:

- The other guy had GTWF, you had not.

- In Gianthold WoPs are not yet teh überz they will later become when mobs get ridicoulosly inflated HP.

[Noctus]

2 reasons:

- The other guy had GTWF, you had not.

- In Gianthold WoPs are not yet teh überz they will later become when mobs get ridicoulosly inflated HP.



P.S.
And there also could be that he just had a streak of lucky rolls. Or you had some bad rolls. Or a combination of both.

[adamkatt]

You didn't get the highest kill count? Did you put in a ticket?

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=172001

Looks to me like you two are on the same page!

[Lonewolfe]

Really.....who cares about kill counts, who got more, who got less, who killed with vorpals, who killed with dual WoP, who killed with a toothpick......who cares. if your build is dependent on one weapon to be useful, you are in for a bumpy ride. And if you think kill count makes you important.... you are lost!

[Aranticus]

You mean to say that w/p is almost properly balanced in those quests, instead of being ridiculously unbalanced.

I top the count without w/p pretty regularly. In fact an AC Exploit STR Ranger got outkilled by my Monk Pure in Ritual Sacrifice and got rather irate about it. He was using his bloodstone, raid gear, more named items, and dual w/p rapiers. My Monk used only Chest loot, no Shroud items at all, and no named items. I didn't care... it seemed to really bother him though. Some folks really need to just get over themselves.

Try running with no named gear sometime. It's refreshing.

pure monk with w/p....

[Aranticus]

To answer your questions Lithic: 21 to 16 no, yes, no, no, no, no, no, no, and I stated in the post he was a dex finesse (learn to read) and I serous doubt it but don't know and as for comment of "meaning less" I disagree.

my dex finesse ranger has a sustained 30 str. finesse =/= low str

[Xanthain]

I was in POP the other day on elite. I had my new 10/1/1 Ranger/monk/rouge build with 2 w/p rapiers. Another Finesse build ranger lvl 12 was there. I think that we both have the same attacks per round, stones, and yes I did have improved crit. He was using 2 vorpals. Now I know that it could of been the luck of the 20 rolls in this very rare case but he beat me in kill count. I have never seen this happen in POP on elite in over 30 runs.............. The only time anyone has ever been close or beaten me was with w/p.

Anyone else have any reports where they think W/P has lost its power?

um.. this is a joke right ?
I really cant see this being a serious post.

[query]

Factual concrete proof or it never happened!

Oh wait.....that would get rid of ALL the posts....

[FluffyCalico]

I was in POP the other day on elite. I had my new 10/1/1 Ranger/monk/rouge build with 2 w/p rapiers. Another Finesse build ranger lvl 12 was there. I think that we both have the same attacks per round, stones, and yes I did have improved crit. He was using 2 vorpals. Now I know that it could of been the luck of the 20 rolls in this very rare case but he beat me in kill count. I have never seen this happen in POP on elite in over 30 runs.............. The only time anyone has ever been close or beaten me was with w/p.

Anyone else have any reports where they think W/P has lost its power?

WOW the casters you run with must suck

[Noctus]

>Beware!

Necromancer gone wild!

[Borror0]

WOW the casters you run with must suck

Why exactly did you feel to raise this thread from the dead?

[Lymnus]

(Standard Action) FluffyCalico casts Animate Dead!
(Spell Effect) FluffyCalico summons 1 W/P Doo00m Thread!

[Comfortably]

In low lvl quests ur gonna be better off just using DPS.

[osirisisis]

Why exactly did you feel to raise this thread from the dead?

I was thinking the same thing ... this is an old one...

[osirisisis]

Really.....who cares about kill counts, who got more, who got less, who killed with vorpals, who killed with dual WoP, who killed with a toothpick......who cares. if your build is dependent on one weapon to be useful, you are in for a bumpy ride. And if you think kill count makes you important.... you are lost!

Kill count is an example of efficacy, those who want to be effective care. As for "dependent on one weapon" that is far from the truth, her DPS is great (not the best) but great, and she vorpals, disrupts, better then any other class.

[FluffyCalico]

Why exactly did you feel to raise this thread from the dead?

Figured if I did he would not make a new one today like he has the last 100 or so days. Wish the devs had a merge feature for all of the ones hes made.