Rank the Capstones!!!

[feynman]

-8. Sorcerer
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0. Ranger
1. Paladin
2. Wizard
3. Getting hit in the head with a sock full of nickels
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9. Bard
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18749. Monk
18750. Rogue
18751. Cleric
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00. Fighter


Note: The "00" is meant to be infinity.

[GlassCannon]

Reserving a spot for when we actually see what the good ones are.

Still waiting to see something better.

Currently the Capstones are very meh. 4.5 stars out of 10 overall. The Wizard one is pretty good, considering all the raid gear that stacks with it. It still doesn't in any way compare to 2 Rogue levels for Evasion and UMD. To balance vs that, the Wiz Capstone would also need to be exclusive to Wizard Pures(take 1 level in anything else, lose eligibility), and grant an increase of 20% of base SP(SP from items not affected), and +10% permanent stacks-with-everything spell efficacy(Global Spell Potency, basically).

In other words, there needs to be a MAJOR increase in the power of a Capstone to balance out the gain of a multiclass, and due to the multis wanting the capstones to unbalance the game again, the capstones need to be for Pure builds only.


A good example of the Rogue one would be Cheat Death(Grants current bonuses, and a permanent 30% Dodge Miss Chance which stacks with everything(Displacement would make the Rogue nigh immune to all melee damage), and requires a Base DEX of at least 22 before tomes to gain from(DEX score below 22 before Inherent Bonuses and Enhancements/Enchantments? You don't get that 30% miss chance.), and a +5 feat bonus to all skills). Of course, this would infuriate all the ftr1/rogues out there, but the Rog20/Fighter2's of the future couldn't spec STR and become a TWF madman with heavy picks.

Srsly u guise, what's to gain from staying pure if the capstones are lame, and open to Multiclasses later on?

BTW the Paladin one is decent, but needs a little more kick to balance off those Ftr/Monk/Pal builds.

Additionally, the Bard capstone is 4 stars out of 5. It could use a kick like +2 to all skills and +6 to UMD checks.

[Tygre]

Barbarian - unknown
Bard - nice
Cleric - joke
Fighter - unknown
Monk - joke
Paladin - nice
Ranger - unknown
Rogue - joke
Sorcerer - unknown
Wizard - nice

[Gryphton]

The Wiz capstone is awsome IMO
The Bard is nice for non-warchanters
The Pali one is kinda cool
I do think the Cleric one if it's a fast cooldown would be useful in some raids
The rogue could be really nice if it went off all the time, you have to wonder what the chance is.
Now if Barbarian get anything ontop of the normal PnP stuff that would be nice
I'm all ears waiting for the ranger.
I sure hope sorcs don't get screwed and their capstone is along the same lines as the wiz and bard.

[Pyromaniac]

I sure hope sorcs don't get screwed and their capstone is along the same lines as the wiz and bard.

/signed

[Fenrisulven6]

Ok I must have read it wrong.

Well, the way it was worded has some of us scratching our heads. But I prefer:



Avatar
Cost: 2 AP
Duration: 1/quest

Benefit: You manifest the Aspect of your Deity, serving as a focal point for allies to rest and/or ressurect (ie. mobile shrine).

[Xithos]

1) Paladin
2) Wizard
3) Bard
4) Everything else so far.

[Timjc86]

I don't know about the whole ordering deal as I really only significantly play about three classes, but i'll tell you what I think about the ones that affect the classes I play:

• Ranger: who knows? I doubt I'll ever keep a ranger pure anyway, that 1 rogue level is just too nice.
  
  
• Monk: I am actually excited about passive ki regen. Monks certainly need some help, but I don't think a capstone is the way to fix monks. If it works like I'm imagining, there will be no end to my Abundant Steppage - I can't think of a better monk capstone.
  
  
• Rogue: I was actually kind of excited at first. It reminded me of the Cheat Death rogue talent from WoW which was very situationally exciting, especially in PvP. But then I remembered PvP's not a huge part of this game, and most decent rogues rarely die anyway. I'm jumping on the bandwagon, the rogue capstone sucks. I doubt I'll ever have a pure rogue either though, even my assassin.

As for the classes I don't really play that much, the Wizard one looks pretty good, especially since I like to heighten good lower level spells when called for.

The paladin capstone seemed amazing at first. As it sits now, it still looks pretty darn good.

I'm happy about the bard capstone. Longer songs for me.

And that's it.

[Chaos000]

Well, the way it was worded has some of us scratching our heads. But I prefer:



Avatar
Cost: 2 AP
Duration: 1/quest

Benefit: You manifest the Aspect of your Deity, serving as a focal point for allies to rest and/or ressurect (ie. mobile shrine).

lol would be nice if you could summon a rez shrine at your location as a lvl 20 cleric once per rest.

"you need a rez? whatcha looking at me for, click the shrine"

[Pyromaniac]

The cleric capstone is uber as is, and needs nothing added to it.

[weyoun]

The cleric capstone is uber as is, and needs nothing added to it.

I think pyro is just scared of his gimped monk/cleric becoming obsolete and is therefore posting about how uber the capstone is. disregard his posts please

[Pyromaniac]

Nobody can die for 5 minutes = uber. I may have to bring back my pure cleric as well now....

[Monsoon28]

1 -Wizard
2 -Paladin
3 -Bard




Dead last -Monk.

[weyoun]

as it is only the gimped and the unlucky die now. noone dies for 5 minutes = uber for gimps, not uber for ubers

[Pyromaniac]

There's a lot of low hp builds out there that no deaths for 5 mins = uber

[weyoun]

There's a lot of low hp builds out there that no deaths for 5 mins = uber

yes and low hp = gimped, always has, always will

[weyoun]

Well, the way it was worded has some of us scratching our heads. But I prefer:



Avatar
Cost: 2 AP
Duration: 1/quest

Benefit: You manifest the Aspect of your Deity, serving as a focal point for allies to rest and/or ressurect (ie. mobile shrine).

I want one that is called, "Valve" so I can turn into a valve. Now that would be uber!

[Oreg]

I don't think it is coincidental that they left rangers, Barbs and Sorcs until the end. My only confusion is why clerics werent held off instead of fighters to finish off the last 4 revealed.

[GlassCannon]

yes and low hp = gimped, always has, always will

Some of that powergamer hate pouring out of the forums is bound to manifest in the game as well. 250 HP is not low, 400 is very high.

[Impaqt]

There's a lot of low hp builds out there that no deaths for 5 mins = uber

As pointed out earlier in this very thread, the Cleric capstone in no way guarantees no deaths for a 5 minute period. Heck, we couldnt even get Eladrin to define the amount of healing the incapped character would receive from the enhancement.