Upcoming Minos Legens Fix.

[frugal_gourmet]

No toughness feats have always stacked, unless I'm missing something here.

Ah, I see what you're saying.

Wait. No I don't.

Wait. Yeah I do.

[Oreg]

Thanks for the heads up.

[Nevthial]

Nice ! A good fix !

[Aspenor]

thanks for the heads up El, I took toughness just because of this.

[Jadeare]

Thanks for the heads up Eladrin. Appreciate it.

[QuantumFX]

The pseudo-Toughness feat the helmet grants will grant 20 additional hit points to the wearer (that stack with all other sources of extra hit points) regardless of character level, and will no longer grant unintended access to enhancements that require the Toughness feat as a prerequisite.

So does that mean it works like a False Life item? (Where switching it out for a clickie is akin to punching yourself in the face.) Or will it continue to work like a +CON item?

[SableShadow]

Thanks for the heads up!

[Lorien_the_First_One]

/applause

THIS is the kind of communication we've been lacking!!!! See the key elements here, folks? Eladrin noted a change that would be coming up that might make a few people butthurt, so he communicated the change to us before it went live!

I probably shouldn't be so excited at seeing a simple tidbit of communication with customers, but it is what it is. Keep it up, Eladrin... you seem to be making a stand against the "wall of silence". Don't think it's going unnoticed.

Agreed. Thanks Eladrin, that's one that could have really upset people if it caught them by surprise.

And I also agree with the other poster, this is one that may rate a note in the launcher.

[baddax]

When you guys do this you need to rename the helms description as it does not Give the toughness feat as described, the same with mobility.

Also now i will have to respec my characters that swapped toughness for a more useful feat, witch isnt anything major, just a hassle.

definitely thumbs down on this move.

[smatt]

While I will take some whacks on my toons on this move, I think it's a good one for the overall play of the game. There were to many non-fighter/Barb classes with too many feats and too many hit points out there. Sorry to those that concentrate on those builds and toons, it will certainly cause you some grief.... And maybe just a slight adjustment to your playstyle.... But look at it this way, you got a bonus for a longtime that you probably shouldn't have ever had
One huge downside is that this will give the "I have to have a complete re-spec mechanism" crowd another shot of adrenaline


Good move though from my point of view, as well as a VERY good move to put it out there for people to see very early on!

[muffinlad]

I am leveling a new Sorc (CG), and when I got to 11th level I put on the old "Horny Hat of Justice". I had three AP saved up, and when I next visited the trainer....I thought "Hey, when did I get Toughness?" shugged and took the two enhancements I was able to take.

Later I figured out what had happened...so yesterday, when I hit 12th, I took Toughness...before I even saw this. Had no idea it was even possible, and I understand why the dev's are fixing it.

Regs,

muffintough

[Oreg]

I am leveling a new Sorc (CG), and when I got to 11th level I put on the old "Horny Hat of Justice". I had three AP saved up, and when I next visited the trainer....I thought "Hey, when did I get Toughness?" shugged and took the two enhancements I was able to take.

Later I figured out what had happened...so yesterday, when I hit 12th, I took Toughness...before I even saw this. Had no idea it was even possible, and I understand why the dev's are fixing it.

Regs,

muffintough

Don't get much news down on Drury Lane do ya?

[Borror0]

thanks for the heads up El, I took toughness just because of this.

What the... Aspenor without his ugly elf avatar?!

[SEMPER]

Later I figured out what had happened...so yesterday, when I hit 12th, I took Toughness...before I even saw this. Had no idea it was even possible, and I understand why the dev's are fixing it.


to me its not a fix its a change cuz the helm is working as it should be , it says toughness feat which means u are granted the feat if u are wearing this item , just like a mobility robe , or a precise shot bow etc etc.... I do understand why they are changing it due to people putting the helm on, then speccing there toons and then swapping it out for something else more useful and not losing there enhancement hps, but the helm says ( FEAT ) just like ne thing else that means it granted so i dont understand why u would change something thats been around since what mod 6 ? , sorry cant remember that long ago just seems silly to change it now.

[Uska]

When you guys do this you need to rename the helms description as it does not Give the toughness feat as described, the same with mobility.

Also now i will have to respec my characters that swapped toughness for a more useful feat, witch isnt anything major, just a hassle.

definitely thumbs down on this move.

why it shouldnt have allowed you to use enhancments as it was temp only

[Uska]

Later I figured out what had happened...so yesterday, when I hit 12th, I took Toughness...before I even saw this. Had no idea it was even possible, and I understand why the dev's are fixing it.


to me its not a fix its a change cuz the helm is working as it should be , it says toughness feat which means u are granted the feat if u are wearing this item , just like a mobility robe , or a precise shot bow etc etc.... I do understand why they are changing it due to people putting the helm on, then speccing there toons and then swapping it out for something else more useful and not losing there enhancement hps, but the helm says ( FEAT ) just like ne thing else that means it granted so i dont understand why u would change something thats been around since what mod 6 ? , sorry cant remember that long ago just seems silly to change it now.

it is a fix as you only have the toughness feat when you have it on so when you take if off you dont, so you shouldnt be able to take enhancemnets on a tmep effect

[SEMPER]

it is a fix as you only have the toughness feat when you have it on so when you take if off you dont, so you shouldnt be able to take enhancemnets on a tmep effect

as i previously stated

: I do understand why they are changing it due to people putting the helm on, then speccing there toons and then swapping it out for something else more useful and not losing there enhancement hps

i know its a fix but to me its a change i understand that u should lose the feat when u take it off but im sure they didnt want to bother with coding to make it work the way it was entended to, cuz if u respec a toughness feat normally all of your action points are reset and im sure they didnt want that happening every time u took it off, but like i said just seems silly to change it now after so much time has gone by with the way it is

[Desteria]

In the upcoming module, there will be a change to the way the helmet Minos Legens functions:

The pseudo-Toughness feat the helmet grants will grant 20 additional hit points to the wearer (that stack with all other sources of extra hit points) regardless of character level, and will no longer grant unintended access to enhancements that require the Toughness feat as a prerequisite.

It is possible that characters that possess Toughness related enhancements solely due to the feat granted by Minos Legens may have their enhancements respecced when they log in after Module 9 goes live.

If you do not wish to risk this due to wishing to keep your current enhancement layout, I highly recommend acquiring the Toughness feat before then.

It's a Fix mainy of us saw comming, exentualy!!!

/applause

THIS is the kind of communication we've been lacking!!!! See the key elements here, folks? Eladrin noted a change that would be coming up that might make a few people butthurt, so he communicated the change to us before it went live!

I probably shouldn't be so excited at seeing a simple tidbit of communication with customers, but it is what it is. Keep it up, Eladrin... you seem to be making a stand against the "wall of silence". Don't think it's going unnoticed.

Could not agree more, Sure I'd love to beabel to take the AP's with actuly spending a feat, so this fix, (soem will say 'nerf'), sucks in that way but the warning and comunication about it makes it all ok imo.

[Desteria]

Later I figured out what had happened...so yesterday, when I hit 12th, I took Toughness...before I even saw this. Had no idea it was even possible, and I understand why the dev's are fixing it.


to me its not a fix its a change cuz the helm is working as it should be , it says toughness feat which means u are granted the feat if u are wearing this item , just like a mobility robe , or a precise shot bow etc etc.... I do understand why they are changing it due to people putting the helm on, then speccing there toons and then swapping it out for something else more useful and not losing there enhancement hps, but the helm says ( FEAT ) just like ne thing else that means it granted so i dont understand why u would change something thats been around since what mod 6 ? , sorry cant remember that long ago just seems silly to change it now.

There are further bugs involved with this that I don;t want to post because they may be considerered exploits and i dont want to get in truble for it...
This si a Fix that is needed because of how some of DOD is coded, in PnP it coudl funtion as it does now with otu problem but in DDO it would requier a rediculess code update, (compleat overhall to large sections probably), to make it properly mimmic the PnP functions with items granting pre-recs for other things.

[SatansToupee]

Why even call it a feat anymore ? its improved false life, that was what was nice about the helm.