Drow, Human, or WF---Sorc

[Rholt25]

So, I am closely getting to the point of making a new character once I hit 1750 with my main. It will most definitely be a sorc. Sure, I can solo around a bit with my little dual wielder, but I've seen nothing that compares to the awesomeness of a sorc. So, the question I pose is, what will I make his race?

Drow

The way I see it, if I go drow I can bump his charisma up to 27 naturally then add a +3tome then get a +6item and have his charisma sitting at 36, which I think would be pretty cool. The downside to that would be having his con at a 14, (20 with a +6item).

Human
I've heard of the 18 18 build. Supposedly this is a pretty well rounded build with high con/char.

Wf

Self healing and a buttload of constitution = survivability
But is starting out at a 16 charisma too much of a hit to sp?

I am sure this has been posted in previous posts..dug around a bit and didn't find one that addressed these three races as dealing with a sorc.

Anyway, suggestions? Experience? Lemmy know please.

[FluffyCalico]

So, I am closely getting to the point of making a new character once I hit 1750 with my main. It will most definitely be a sorc. Sure, I can solo around a bit with my little dual wielder, but I've seen nothing that compares to the awesomeness of a sorc. So, the question I pose is, what will I make his race?

Drow

Human

Wf

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1) If you solo alot go WF. Why you would want to play a MMO to solo I have no idea.
2) If you are really really worried about HP take human
3) If you want to finger and pk half the world then you want the highest spell DC go drow. If you are worried about HP, a +6 con item, +2 con tome, and greater false life item will give you plenty.

The reason you see so many of each is they all have their uses. It really depends on how you want to play.

CHA doesn't really have much effect on SP. I think every +1 CHA modifier gives 10+level spell points or 26 at level 16. When you are looking at 2400 SP 26 is not really a issue. What CHA gives you is Spell DC

[Rholt25]

Edit:-To Fluffy
Right..thanks but you kinda just repeated everything I said in my original post. Since I have never played either of the 3 what do you suggest I do. I mean, being a first timer..maybe a little higher on the con side because I may do some stupid junk and draw too much aggro towards me? What do you enjoy playing.. I guess I was looking for more of personal experience with either build.

[FluffyCalico]

Edit:-To Fluffy
Right..thanks but you kinda just repeated everything I said in my original post. Since I have never played either of the 3 what do you suggest I do. I mean, being a first timer..maybe a little higher on the con side because I may do some stupid junk and draw too much aggro towards me? What do you enjoy playing.. I guess I was looking for more of personal experience with either build.

I have the drow. I see no reason to solo stuff in a MMO, whole reason I am on a MMO is to play with others. As for why I choose Drow over human, I have always made Elf, half elf etc... casters in real DnD for their vision (DDO left this out). So it was a habit, and I like them cosmetically better. The humans women look alittle fat. I have done pretty much every quest/raid in the game and HP has never been an issue. Part 4 of shroud bit me once but a belt of greater false life has kept that from ever being an issue again.

[Desteria]

I have the drow. I see no reason to solo stuff in a MMO, whole reason I am on a MMO is to play with others. As for why I choose Drow over human, I have always made Elf, half elf etc... casters in real DnD for their vision (DDO left this out). So it was a habit, and I like them cosmetically better. The humans women look alittle fat. I have done pretty much every quest/raid in the game and HP has never been an issue. Part 4 of shroud bit me once but a belt of greater false life has kept that from ever being an issue again.

DDO human women ever so slightly aprocing actual real demetions for a human femail OMG who thought they would ever se ethat in a fantisy MMO... personaly i actuly liek that they are ever so slightly more realistic, while still beign smokign hotties

[FluffyCalico]

DDO human women ever so slightly aprocing actual real demetions for a human femail OMG who thought they would ever se ethat in a fantisy MMO... personaly i actuly liek that they are ever so slightly more realistic, while still beign smokign hotties

You think elves aren't close to real deminsions? Ever heard of say kira knightley or milla jovovich. About 5% of women are very very skinny.

[HeavenlyCloud]

I disagree that you need quicken on a WF sorcerer. You cast fast enough, all you gotta do is jump and reconstruct.

I love WF Sorcerers they got a great survivability, sure you lose 1 DC but my opinion is that in the end it doesn't matter much.

[muffinlad]

DDO human women ever so slightly aprocing actual real demetions for a human femail OMG who thought they would ever se ethat in a fantisy MMO... personaly i actuly liek that they are ever so slightly more realistic, while still beign smokign hotties

I actually almost said something about this too Des...but then, I realised...just a MMO. Not going to solve peoples body images with a post.

muffinchub.

[esoitl]

I have an Elven Sorceror and I don't notice any major issues with HP, SP, or DC so it's all preference IMO.

Remember if you decide on choosing WF, Sorcerors have a limited selection of spells. As the game stands, there aren't many issues slotting in the basics and there are only ever a few real dilemmas of what spell to pick. However, as a WF you'll probably be slotting in repair and reconstruct spells so take osme time to slot out your spells.
At level 16 you will have 4 spells from level 1-5, 3 level 6, 2 level 7, and one level 8.

It's a nice idea to make sure you'll have all the spells you want.

[Strykersz]

Loss of cha does not cause a significant loss of sp(I think it's 25 sp/2 cha at 16, so 50 sp behind a drow on a wf, out of about 2300ish is not a big deal). Your real concern should be the lower dc you will have. That being said, Reconstruct is fantastic.

[Desteria]

the advantages of each: I'll start with my personal recomendation adn atm for a PURE sorc a casting sorc the answere is imo HUMAN.

WF: Self healign via SP, btu to work REALLY well you want quicken and that cut in to your already limited feat selection, the most HP possible the lowest Cha will 2 points of cha make or break you NO it wont....
Thsi is the bets race to be IF youwant to build a battle caster, or want really strogn self healign obviusly excelent fro soloing.
down side you lose a levle 6 spellslot to reconstruct in an already tight spell level.

Drow: LEAST HP of all the sorcs, most Cha easly, onyl a 28pt build but the bonus stats SOrta make up for it the con hit hurts, you will have to learn to watch your but BUT can still get over 300 HP with a 12 starting con, ok it takes alot of work and a tougheness feat but it's doable. Can self heal with scrolls Via UMD..... make good sorcs.

HUMAN: great HP, no hit to Cha, +1 skill point a level, (efectivly the same as the drows +2 int), BONUS FEAT.... imo the best sorcs faily easy to break 300 hp with, especaly if your not an original 28 pt build that based soem stat choices on PnP logic the 18/18 is a great build and you still get 2 skill points a level. UMD+concentration add in balance/jump/haggle/whatever when you eat a +2 int tome. the bonus feat is HUGE on feat starved sorcs you can get the important 'standard' set of feats, (EMP/MAX/HIGHTEN/EXTEND/SPELL PEN/GTR SPELL PEN), and STILL have one left over to help in what ever area you need it at a given time toughness for more hp or SKill fouc UMD to help out your umd OR FoP if you wan't a will save some where in the upper atmosphear.... Can get the same efective Cha as a Drow but it takes more work, this may change in the future I.E. abbot trinket migth actuly become a realistic option then a drow can win, but basicaly any time the MAX is ODD you tie the drow just with a bit more work. imo the feat is realyl what wins it for humans atm. Can self heal via scrolls with UMD. Make the best sorcs imo.


Basicaly IF you wan't a battle caster, or a totaly solo focused caster WF is the best, but for anything else human wins out, and they don't really lose much in soloing to the WF at least not for normal content not likely to ever solo VoD, but then should they ever build a robe with the docent of defiance effect that could change .

[doppleganger]

the advantages of each: I'll start with my personal recomendation adn atm for a PURE sorc a casting sorc the answere is imo HUMAN.

WF: Self healign via SP, btu to work REALLY well you want quicken and that cut in to your already limited feat selection, the most HP possible the lowest Cha will 2 points of cha make or break you NO it wont....
Thsi is the bets race to be IF youwant to build a battle caster, or want really strogn self healign obviusly excelent fro soloing.
down side you lose a levle 6 spellslot to reconstruct in an already tight spell level.

Yea, I guess human is nice, did not try it.

I tried Drow on one of my first toons, did not like it very much, was too squishy for my taste. Sure, at high level and with proper gear, they can UMD Heal scrolls, but on the way to level 16, its a long painful haul.

I have been leveling a warforged one recently, and its been a blast. So much self healing is so nice, be it wands of repair, repair spells, scrolls of reconstruct, and the reconstruct spell itself. It does take the place of one precious level 6 spells, thats true.

Quicken is absolutely not necessary.

I happen to play with another guildie who is leveling a human sorcerer, and what a difference! Well, he did not put a lot into Con, I must say. He is real squishy and dies pretty much several times per quest. On the other hand, I rarely ever die at all.

I love playing that character. My only concern is if I will ever regret that 2 DC compared to a drow. Time will tell!

[Daedalis]

I play several casters and I wouldn't roll anything but Drow for any caster....Wiz or Sorc. But that is just personal preference. I like to have max stats and having a 22 int or 22 cha at 2nd lvl is so much fun . Maybe 1% of stuff makes saves....but at 16th level, it can be even more of an asset as your DC's are harder to save against provided you can beat their SR. End game can be rough for the "insta-killer". My wiz has max spell pen, max int, and rarely gets stopped from getting through SR or DC (at least in the vale). However the Vale quest on Hard & Elite, the % goes down for SR and saves vs DC.

The spells that I tend to use on my Wiz that require the Spell Pen and high DC:

Dismal
Banish
PK (occasionally)
Flesh to Stone
Finger of Death
Charm Monster
Hold Monster

If your not going to use these spells or rarely use them....then your DC isn't going to matter alot...especially if your going the Nuker route. My 13th lvl sorc uses PK quite frequently and I would probably fail alot more than I do if my Cha score wasn't maxed...but I am doing quest that are several levels above my actual level too. At 12th level I was doing the vale quest which I believe are 15th & 16th level quest on Normal. The group I was running with we did them up to Hard.

But in the end, it will come down to your preferences in how you want to play your toon.

WF - Pros: immunities, self healing, higher con
Cons: Lower Cha & Wis --> you can still dance and be commanded.

Human - Pros: Extra feat, extra skill points

Drow - Pros: Highest Cha score, SR
Cons: Lower Con

Just my 2 CP....hope it helps.

[Desteria]

WF - Pros: immunities, self healing, higher con
Cons: Lower Cha & Wis --> you can still dance and be commanded.

Human - Pros: Extra feat, extra skill points

Drow - Pros: Highest Cha score, SR
Cons: Lower Con

Just my 2 CP....hope it helps.

The only problem atm is with out abbot trinket drow cap at 39 cha humans at 38... SOOO the drow DC advantage dissapears with out one VERY hard to get item...

Next mod brings +4 tomes but also level 20 stat point SOOO all reamans the same the only exception will be possibel the changes to abbot makign trinket more of an option, if they go to +5 tomes at soem poitn and all else remains the same, human will tie drow again....

I think the human balance of more con & an extra feat make them the best choice for a defalt sorc atm.

P.S. drow SR is a JOKE, it;s not worht considerign at all ANY thing that actly cares abotu SR will be passign it on absurdly low rolls if not 1's unless your playign WAY down and then what it matter you will be a GOD of power any way.

[Memnir]

After taking one human sorc and one WF sorc to level cap - I can honestly say I'd never make a non-WF sorc again.

[lostx]

This was my 1st mmo, and the 2nd character I rolled up was a 28 point human sorc. I still have her now almost 3 years later.

Yea she started with 14 con and an 18 charisma.

she has a 38 charisma, 2380 sp, 337 hp, and a 40 umd.

I don't really think race will make a much difference of a difference at end game. It's all about your equipment.

[Daedalis]

This was my 1st mmo, and the 2nd character I rolled up was a 28 point human sorc. I still have her now almost 3 years later.

Yea she started with 14 con and an 18 charisma.

she has a 38 charisma, 2380 sp, 337 hp, and a 40 umd.

I don't really think race will make a much difference of a difference at end game. It's all about your equipment.

Too true.....race comes down to personal preference IMO. But equipment can be the difference in a Ok caster and an Outstanding caster.

P.S. drow SR is a JOKE, it;s not worht considerign at all ANY thing that actly cares abotu SR will be passign it on absurdly low rolls if not 1's unless your playign WAY down and then what it matter you will be a GOD of power any way.

I know that SR is a "joke" if not using the enhancements.....but if you do have the enhancement, it can be a lifesaver at times. But my casters usually kill things long before they can cast a spell with SR on it anyway .

[bigj1608]

Healing isn't an issue when you can't fail to throw a Heal scroll. I'd suggest Human.

DEFINITELY don't go 18 Constitution. I'd recommend this:

Str 8
Dex 10
Con 16
Int 12
Wis 8
Cha 18

Charisma Breakdown, Endgame:
18 Base
4 Levels
1 Tome
3 Sorcerer Charisma
1 Human Adaptability Charisma
9 Greensteel Charisma Scepter

This gives you a 36, and is fairly easy to acquire. With a +3 Tome you will have a 38.

The Drow requires all of the same, as well as an Abbot raid item to reach a 40 Charisma. Otherwise, the Drow and Human typically have the same DC on their spells, and the Human has more HP and an extra feat.

[Desteria]

This was my 1st mmo, and the 2nd character I rolled up was a 28 point human sorc. I still have her now almost 3 years later.

Yea she started with 14 con and an 18 charisma.

she has a 38 charisma, 2380 sp, 337 hp, and a 40 umd.

I don't really think race will make a much difference of a difference at end game. It's all about your equipment.

YOu bring up a VERY good point about it being mostly abotu equipment IF you maxed cha and didn;t dump con most well equiped sorcs WILL play about the same end game the KEY difrences are humans get an extra FEAT that can be HUGE, drow have no real way to make up for that, drow will have a few mroe AP's to spend but realyl with the current ap's that's not much of an issue, WF will get self healign Via SP rather then scroll only, a valuable item for sure BUT is it worht a feat???? imo no.

[Eternity25]

I prefer Drow for all my sorcs. Having a capped base cha gives you a +1 to spell dc and +25 sp compared to having an 18 base as a cap.