Would this get me smitten?

[bigj1608]

I'm fairly certain that I would give the tome up, especially on a good run.

Thanks for the responses.

[lord_of_rage]

so he solo'd that raid?

The eleven other people didn't participate enough?

btw, i might as well be done with this conversation, since i can't make lots of people see the light.

I say again, just hope you run with me, because i think of the SERVER over the individual.

It has nothing to do with if he soloed it or not. You get the loot in your chests. He gets the loot in his. The other 10 people get the loot in their chests. You have completed the raid and have all met the goal of completing the quest. Show me where it says you are required to put all +3 tomes up for roll unless you are X class. You cant because the rule doesnt exist. I will alway put items up for roll if, A. I dont want or need it B. a guildee or friend doenst want or need it. Noone is required to put something up for roll because it doesnt fit their build. Taking the high road of the "server" is a huge moral responsibility. Are you sure you put every +2 or 3 tome you pull up for roll???? I honestly doubt it. I dont tell you what to do with your loot so dont tell anyone else what to do with theirs.

[lord_of_rage]

To put it another way;

On the server most peeps who're posting you'll have no problems actually play on; You may be fine.

I can only speak for Argo, because I play here, and raid daily.

And on Argo; You're going to have problems.

Please show me where it says you have to give up loot you pull if you want to keep it? Last time I checked the ddo eula it says nothing of the kind. I raid on Khyber I play on khyber though I have a lowbie on argo. I give up gear I know wont benifit me if I dont really need it. However nothing says I have to. What annoys me is this feeling that You, because You feel entitled to it, feel someone else should give up the loot they have earned by completing the raid, should give it up. That is the truly selfish issue. Server first is a cop out. It boils down to your opinions on someone elses lucky pull.

[Mhykke]

If I, as a pure Sorcerer, pulled a +3 str tome out of the reaver chest, would all of you tanks on argo hate me forever if I looted and ate it?

Just wondering

I have an 8 base Str and really don't like being helpless. The reason I an asking this and not settling for a +2 tome is because I also don't like being encumbered or overweight, and every point in Str helps your weight load.

Honestly, your argument of "I hate being encumbered/helpless" doesn't fly with me all that well. If you hated it so much, you'd have done something about it, like fit in a str item somewhere. Casters aren't too difficult to fit in items in slots.

If you had done anything up until that point to show that you cared about being encumbered/helpless, that'd be one thing. But you didn't. The fact is you don't care much about being encumbered, it's just an excuse. You just want to eat the tome.

Yes, you can do what you like. Doesn't mean others would like it. I know if it was me, I'd give it up. Again, that's just me.

[bigj1608]

I am wearing a strength item, which puts me at a 14. I have decided that I will be satisfied with a 16 from a +2 tome.

Thanks

[bandyman1]

Please show me where it says you have to give up loot you pull if you want to keep it? Last time I checked the ddo eula it says nothing of the kind. I raid on Khyber I play on khyber though I have a lowbie on argo. I give up gear I know wont benifit me if I dont really need it. However nothing says I have to. What annoys me is this feeling that You, because You feel entitled to it, feel someone else should give up the loot they have earned by completing the raid, should give it up. That is the truly selfish issue. Server first is a cop out. It boils down to your opinions on someone elses lucky pull.

No one is saying you have to.

No one can force you to.

But I got news for your lowbie on Argo;

If you pull a +3 Str tome on a raid, and loot it on your 8 Str sorc; You'll most likely find that your sorc will never be accepted for another raid by
A) those players
B) their guildies
C) their channel mates
D) their friends

Blacklisting is common on Argo amongst raiding guilds. Period.

It doesn't matter if you like it.
It doesn't matter if you agree with it.
It doesn't matter if you feel that it's not fair.
It doesn't matter if you think it's against the EULA, because Turbine cannot control who people accept, or do not accept to their groups within this game.

It is what it is. And anyone doing as the OP described will have problems on this server. If you can't accept that; Then perhaps you should stay on Kyber.

[Uska]

In all honesty....


From most raiding guilds on Argo; Yeah. You'd be blacklisted. Period.


Some peeps love to throw in " It's your loot! ", " You pulled it! ", " MARXISM!!! ", ect, ect here on the forums, whenever this subject is brought up, but....

You'd still end up on the guild/channel/friend banned list. That's the long and the short of it.

Makes me glad I play with more mature people noone I know would hold it against him and noone should

[pscomputers]

Let's face it. If a piece of raid loot is a benefit to you, then you have every right to take it if it's under your name.

Cleric - Tharnes Goggles - No need to cast True Seeing on yourself anymore. Saves you SP = Benefit.

THF Barbarian - Treason - Charge High Energy Cell = Benefit.

WF any class - Full Plate of the Defender - Sell to Tavern Keep - More Plat = Benefit.

I don't see how any raid loot cannot be a benefit to anyone, even in the smallest way. If you don't have one, you need one. Need before greed.

Isn't that what we all agree to?

Why don't you all think this way - who would benefit from the +3 str/con/dex/wis/int/cha tome more. My Sorc or that Tank?

[lord_of_rage]

Honestly, your argument of "I hate being encumbered/helpless" doesn't fly with me all that well. If you hated it so much, you'd have done something about it, like fit in a str item somewhere. Casters aren't too difficult to fit in items in slots.

If you had done anything up until that point to show that you cared about being encumbered/helpless, that'd be one thing. But you didn't. The fact is you don't care much about being encumbered, it's just an excuse. You just want to eat the tome.

Yes, you can do what you like. Doesn't mean others would like it. I know if it was me, I'd give it up. Again, that's just me.

You can say you would give up the tome all you want.. The test is if it happened to you would you really do it. i know most wouldnt. The proof is in the action.

[Arnya]

No one is saying you have to.

No one can force you to.

But I got news for your lowbie on Argo;

If you pull a +3 Str tome on a raid, and loot it on your 8 Str sorc; You'll most likely find that your sorc will never be accepted for another raid by
A) those players
B) their guildies
C) their channel mates
D) their friends

Blacklisting is common on Argo amongst raiding guilds. Period.

It doesn't matter if you like it.
It doesn't matter if you agree with it.
It doesn't matter if you feel that it's not fair.
It doesn't matter if you think it's against the EULA, because Turbine cannot control who people chose, or chose not to group with in this game.

It is what it is. And anyone doing as the OP described will have problems on this server. If you can't accept that; Then perhaps you should stay on Kyber.

So glad I chose Adar lol .....sounds like a few big kids hogging the slides to me.

The only thing you'd get blacklisted for is spouting that nonsense in a raid.

[bandyman1]

So glad I chose Adar lol .....sounds like a few big kids hogging the slides to me.

The only thing you'd get blacklisted for is spouting that nonsense in a raid.

Guess I'm glad I chose Mabar, and we got rolled into Argo then.

Greedy assbags get weeded out of our raiding population fairly quickly here.

[bandyman1]

You can say you would give up the tome all you want.. The test is if it happened to you would you really do it. i know most wouldnt. The proof is in the action.

Actually, I've seen Mhykke give up several +3 tomes.

[Mhykke]

You can say you would give up the tome all you want.. The test is if it happened to you would you really do it. i know most wouldnt. The proof is in the action.

Actually, I've given up things like tomes, and even rarer things, plenty, thank you.

Don't believe me? Here's someone thanking me for the chattering ring that I gave up, after 41 runs, although I could still use it, 2 weeks ago. I decided on a different item distribution b/c I didn't get the ring on my 40th titan. On my 41st, it dropped for me. Now, I could've still used it, and for a while, but went through with my previous decision to not go for it, even though who knows how many months it'll take me to get Dodge +3 on my DT armor. I could've easily went back to the other gear set up I planned for myself. But instead, I thought to myself that at some point I'll get what I want on my armor, and then the ring would just sit in the bank. Better to give it up to someone who actually plans on using it and isn't looking for something else, like I had decided on after my 40th run, just 3 days prior (again, even though I probably would've used it for a few months, if not longer.)

So yes, the proof is in the pudding. Here's your pudding (scroll down):

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=169869

WF any class - Full Plate of the Defender - Sell to Tavern Keep - More Plat = Benefit.

I don't see how any raid loot cannot be a benefit to anyone, even in the smallest way. If you don't have one, you need one. Need before greed.

It still boggles the mind that one, in the same breath, can say need before greed, and then justify taking armor on a warforged to sell to a bartender. I'm sorry, but that's greed, pure and simple. It's the very definition of it. The greedy thing to do would be to think like your post: "I can use everything, so I'm going to take everything." The generous thing to do, the non greedy thing to do, would be to think "well, all I can get for this armor is a couple thousand platinum, whereas someone else would actually put this to use. I think I will give it up."

[Arnya]

Greedy assbags get weeded out of our raiding population fairly quickly here.

That's exactly it - expecting to get a crack at someone else's loot IS greed pure and simple.

If we decide to offer our loot, we do. Easy.

[alchilito]

Actually, I've seen Mhykke give up several +3 tomes.

screenshot or it didn't happen ! ~

[bandyman1]

That's exactly it - expecting to get a crack at someone else's loot IS greed pure and simple.

If we decide to offer our loot, we do. Easy.

Naw. Looting something you'll see very minimal benifit ( 17 Str vs 16 on a pure Sorc???? Common.... ) from, over someone who'll see far and away better use and benefit from from the item is the very epitome of greed in this game.

You're smarter than this Arnya. I know you like to argue, but come on; Even you don't have a leg to stand on here.

KDS looted by a WFed for the plat over a ranger or rogue in the party anyone?

[sephiroth1084]

I'm not on your server, but if I pull a +3 Int tome on my tank, even though the extra 2 skill points for levels 17-20 could be useful, its going up for roll to the wizards, and maybe rogues, bards and/or rangers.

If I pulled a +3 Str tome on my 8 Str wizard, it'd go up for roll. Until I get all the raid loot I'm after, I'm going to have a lot of open slots, which makes wearing a Str-boosting item pretty easy. I also carry around a Lesser Restore clicky and some potions of same.

Think about how you would feel if the tank in the group pulled the Ring of Thelis and kept it because he decided he wanted SR 22.

[Mhykke]

screenshot or it didn't happen ! ~

[Uska]

I'm not on your server, but if I pull a +3 Int tome on my tank, even though the extra 2 skill points for levels 17-20 could be useful, its going up for roll to the wizards, and maybe rogues, bards and/or rangers.

If I pulled a +3 Str tome on my 8 Str wizard, it'd go up for roll. Until I get all the raid loot I'm after, I'm going to have a lot of open slots, which makes wearing a Str-boosting item pretty easy. I also carry around a Lesser Restore clicky and some potions of same.

Think about how you would feel if the tank in the group pulled the Ring of Thelis and kept it because he decided he wanted SR 22.

I'd say good run and if I had time run something else with him

[Kreaper]

I think some of you guys place a little too much importance on yourselves and your guilds.