Mod 9 Is The Ranged Character Killer

[Dorian]

What are ranged people getting in Mod 9?

You will see an extra attack for melees at BAB20. Extra attack for TWF tempest rangers. Improved glancing blows for THF fighters and WF. And the list goes on for melee getting better (as it should when you get higher level).

My question is... What will ranged characters get?

You are going to get laughed out of a group if you are a ranger and you start plinking away with a bow. I'm not just talking about rangers, I'm including all classes that want to use a ranged weapon (like that repeater bard, etc).

[Strakeln]

You are going to get laughed out of a group if you are a ranger and you start plinking away with a bow. I'm not just talking about rangers, I'm including all classes that want to use a ranged weapon (like that repeater bard, etc).

They don't already?

[Darth_Sizzle]

they Don't Already?

Lol

Qft

[Rog]

They don't already?

its not what u use it how you use it!

[Ranmaru2]

While I will agree that firing speed is not optimal:

1) It's amazing how much easier it is for casters to PK/FoD elementals in the reaver when someone's firing a Wounding/WoP bow/Repeater

2) It's amazing how much easier it is to keep moving in coal chamber when a ranger gets aggro with a bow to pull them away, has haste/drinks a haste pot, and speed boosts through

3) It's amazing how easy it is to manyshot the eladrin to death in Devils, or even kite the mobs in monastery if they're getting to be too cluttered (lots of low con/hp drow). Quite simple to get giant aggro in prey and not get hit much too.

4) narrow corridors of Kobold allow for quite the damage to be dished out (maybe even a call lightning replication) by firing straight ahead

5) Stormcleave even goes a lot easier when mobs are hit for a bunch with a bow shot and then dragged to a caster's FW or Web

6) Gwylan's on elite is so much easier with stuff being kited while tanks (if they even have a head on their shoulder) take out the priests first

7) Feast/PoP/Trial/Cabal all have narrow corridors where one can easily mow lots of mobs down.

8) Relic/Made to Order all go very well when a good archer is there to help, especially made to order where the ranger would buy some time to get the trap so the tanks can fight the duergar without stepping on the mines (as the idiots so often do..)

9) Sleeping dust allows for easy pickins of the magi while kiting the spiders to keep them out of the way

10) weakening beholders on the way to hound is done so much easier from range

11) Too many Protectors/Drones in Hound? Ranger can keep em occupied (or a caster with FW, but that's just how I roll in there )

12) (insert other example here where the ranger makes the cleric happy by controlling how much damage the buffoon fighters/tanks, who don't move, take while still taking them down)

Sorry realizing versatility is not your specialty Angelus, do you not kite mobs in part V?

[Angelus_dead]

Sorry realizing versatility is not your specialty Angelus, do you not kite mobs in part V?

Sorry you think that a melee or caster can't do that.

[Ranmaru2]

Sorry you think that a melee or caster can't do that.

melee..nope they need to keep aggro while being in range...

casters..hell yes they can. Been doing it on my main since lvl 9. Though they usually have bigger fish to fry or dont need to waste sp on trash (like stupid sorcs who FoD or PK EVERYTHING in ritual...)

[transtemporal]

6) Gwylan's on elite is so much easier with stuff being kited while tanks (if they even have a head on their shoulder) take out the priests first

When you need to buy a little time while everyone gets rezzed/healed up then sure its useful, but just about anyone else (except the healbot) could do the same trick.

[bobbryan2]

You are going to get laughed out of a group if you are a ranger and you start plinking away with a bow. I'm not just talking about rangers, I'm including all classes that want to use a ranged weapon (like that repeater bard, etc).

Well, if those people would put away the bow and pull out a pair of dwarven axes, they wouldn't get laughed out of groups, now would they....

[Mercules]

Well, if those people would put away the bow and pull out a pair of dwarven axes, they wouldn't get laughed out of groups, now would they....

Funny... I laugh at melee characters chasing casters all over the place swinging futilely because of the messed up moving hit boxes. Precise Shot is so handy for taking out Casters quickly.

[bobbryan2]

Funny... I laugh at melee characters chasing casters all over the place swinging futilely because of the messed up moving hit boxes. Precise Shot is so handy for taking out Casters quickly.

Huh... most casters don't have time to run away from me...

I dunno...

[Brutous]

"Why run? You will just die tired."

"Zig-Zag Running is not going to help you, I have 200 Arrows."

[adamr09]

ya they are gonna have to add something really amazing to get ranged combat up to par with endgame melee (which i have been hoping for a LONG time.) hopefully deepwood sniper II and III will be super awesome

[Mercules]

Huh... most casters don't have time to run away from me...

I dunno...

You mean after you have dodged and hopped over the non-casting mobs, right? Me, I just plunk them the moment I see them no matter what mob is between myself and them. The other nice thing is I will agro them and swing wide from the group or hang back so if they throw Comet Falls or other AoE it doesn't hit the whole group instead of 3 Melee characters charging, in a group at the caster and getting all whacked by a spell.

Or we could just agree you are uber and do things the game engine doesn't make possible like moving through mobs, instantly teleporting to casters, and killing them in one swing.

[bobbryan2]

You mean after you have dodged and hopped over the non-casting mobs, right? Me, I just plunk them the moment I see them no matter what mob is between myself and them. The other nice thing is I will agro them and swing wide from the group or hang back so if they throw Comet Falls or other AoE it doesn't hit the whole group instead of 3 Melee characters charging, in a group at the caster and getting all whacked by a spell.

Or we could just agree you are uber and do things the game engine doesn't make possible like moving through mobs, instantly teleporting to casters, and killing them in one swing.

Okay, we can agree I'm uber.

[nbhs275]

You mean after you have dodged and hopped over the non-casting mobs, right? Me, I just plunk them the moment I see them no matter what mob is between myself and them. The other nice thing is I will agro them and swing wide from the group or hang back so if they throw Comet Falls or other AoE it doesn't hit the whole group instead of 3 Melee characters charging, in a group at the caster and getting all whacked by a spell.

Or we could just agree you are uber and do things the game engine doesn't make possible like moving through mobs, instantly teleporting to casters, and killing them in one swing.

UM, so your saying that because a melee has to take 2 seconds to close with a distant group, that somehow makes the pitiful damage and attack speed of ranged combat better? When you attack 2-3 times faster and hit for 10-20 more damage, then maybe ranged is a better option then "once every 2 minutes".

[NXPlasmid]

I think some shortening of the cooldown timer on multishot would be really nice. Increased ROF would hurt either.

[arcane_nite]

Huh... most casters don't have time to run away from me...

I dunno...

such a e peen reply. u fishing?

[bobbryan2]

such a e peen reply. u fishing?

You responded a thread this late to bait a comment made on the first page?

[Cupcake]

Well, if those people would put away the bow and pull out a pair of dwarven axes, they wouldn't get laughed out of groups, now would they....

This... is one of the reasons I quit playing DDO.

I was in a raid group gianthold.

My bow was doing more damage than the tank.

I got told to put away my toy.

I quit DDO that day.