Upcoming Minos Legens Fix.

[feynman]

no greensteel HP for me either... You don't need it. GFL and con 6 or con5 and +1 tome aer affordable options for HP.

Yea, have those, takes me to ~150 hp.

[Hordo]

Or maybe I could buy you a new collar, since you are obviously a GM pet?

GM pet? I'm fairly certain my recent infraction points might refute that...and perhaps all my diatribes against the bullschlacha we keep being fed by the GMs. But, let's just put it this way, I actually have no problem if they kept it this way...it's just that they did tell us and for those dishonest enough to claim not to know or to whine about it's being corrected have no possibility of respect from me.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

Yea, have those, takes me to ~150 hp.

You should have more than that with the helm on.

And if you want more...once again, take the feat. The rest of us managed to figure out how to make our chars work while taking that feat if we wanted the HP.

[Tanka]

Yea, have those, takes me to ~150 hp.

What, didn't put any points into Con at chargen?

Mine is at 20 Con with IFL -- sitting at 130HP at L10.

You broke your own build.

[feynman]

GM pet? I'm fairly certain my recent infraction points might refute that...and perhaps all my diatribes against the bullschlacha we keep being fed by the GMs. But, let's just put it this way, I actually have no problem if they kept it this way...it's just that they did tell us and for those dishonest enough to claim not to know or to whine about it's being corrected have no possibility of respect from me.

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Has been gone for 3 months!

But let's put it this way: Even if I had been on when they announced the change, is there any evidence to suggest that the devs listen to anything the playerbase has to say? The next argument is obviously "Well, then why say anything at all?", but that's missing the point.

The point is that this seems to be nothing more than a backhanded way to balance feat-poor classes, which they intentionally unbalanced to begin with! If all they wanted to do was fix the bug, there are simpler, better ways to do it.

Sorry, you said something about "dishonesty"?

[Baranor]

Yea, have those, takes me to ~150 hp.

16*4+20+10+30+20(helm)=144

sounds like a base 6 con, nice build

[feynman]

You should have more than that with the helm on.

And if you want more...once again, take the feat. The rest of us managed to figure out how to make our chars work while taking that feat if we wanted the HP.

With the helm, I get close to 200, and my feats are max, emp, MT, spell pen, and FoP; which of those can I live without? (hint: the answer is not "max," "emp," "MT," "spell pen," or "FoP.")

It's fantastic that your build wasn't based on the helm; what are you going to say when they decide to "balance" whatever it is that makes your sorc exceptional, if he is?

[feynman]

16*4+20+10+30+20(helm)=144

sounds like a base 6 con, nice build

That's without the helm; RTFM FTW.

[bobbryan2]

With the helm, I get close to 200, and my feats are max, emp, MT, spell pen, and FoP; which of those can I live without? (hint: the answer is not "max," "emp," "MT," "spell pen," or "FoP.")

It's fantastic that your build wasn't based on the helm; what are you going to say when they decide to "balance" whatever it is that makes your sorc exceptional, if he is?

If you're a caster, there are no STATS you can live without other than con and cha.

But since you asked, I would put more HP as far more important than FoP... and MT is an absolute waste, and I'd take anything over it.

[Hordo]

If all they wanted to do was fix the bug, there are simpler, better ways to do it.

What could be easier than what they are doing now? Fix it so that it is as intended. Granted, they told us they would be fixing it within weeks of it's being put in the game and it has taken them this long to do it...so really the only thing they could have done better is do it earlier. Either way, it is being done, they are making good so stop whining.

I'm glad you are back after 3 months away. Have some fun, fix your build so that you aren't dependent upon feats/enhancements garnered from a known-from-inception bug/exploit that is now being fixed.

The dishonesty comment wasn't directed at you, but at folks who are whining because their intentionally-exploit-ridden-builds are now being nerfed. I'm pretty sure you would agree with me that intentionally exploiting is dishonest at best.

[smatt]

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Has been gone for 3 months!

But let's put it this way: Even if I had been on when they announced the change, is there any evidence to suggest that the devs listen to anything the playerbase has to say? The next argument is obviously "Well, then why say anything at all?", but that's missing the point.

The point is that this seems to be nothing more than a backhanded way to balance feat-poor classes, which they intentionally unbalanced to begin with! If all they wanted to do was fix the bug, there are simpler, better ways to do it.

Sorry, you said something about "dishonesty"?

Hmm, I seem to remember them talking about his for a very long time.... But in any case if you have that fw HP, well all I can say is UH OH......

[feynman]

What could be easier than what they are doing now? Fix it so that it is as intended. Granted, they told us they would be fixing it within weeks of it's being put in the game and it has taken them this long to do it...so really the only thing they could have done better is do it earlier. Either way, it is being done, they are making good so stop whining.

Make the enhancements stop working if you take off the helm.

"As intended" doesn't mean anything; how did this work in PnP?

I'm glad you are back after 3 months away. Have some fun, fix your build so that you aren't dependent upon feats/enhancements garnered from a known-from-inception bug/exploit that is now being fixed.

If I reroll this character, I'm rolling a Mirdain.

The dishonesty comment wasn't directed at you, but at folks who are whining because their intentionally-exploit-ridden-builds are now being nerfed. I'm pretty sure you would agree with me that intentionally exploiting is dishonest at best.

Actually, I have to disagree with you; exploits should be fixed promptly. If they are being abused, then that is the devs fault, not the players; if they don't like it, they can fix it. Instead, they're acting like whiny 12-year-old dungeon masters whose dungeon wasn't as tricky as they thought it was, so they blue-bolt the entire party. Color me unimpressed.

In this example, it's even simpler: This build predated the announcement of the "bug" fix. So now, I have 4 level 16 characters: a cleric (OK, 28 point build), a fighter/ranger/rogue (excellent), a monk (awful, they'd better do druids better), and this sorc (fantastic now, not so hot after the change). Basically, I'm batting 1 for 4; not bad for a farm team, but hardly major league, and only b/c of this nonsense.

[bobbryan2]

In this example, it's even simpler: This build predated the announcement of the "bug" fix. So now, I have 4 level 16 characters: a cleric (OK, 28 point build), a fighter/ranger/rogue (excellent), a monk (awful, they'd better do druids better), and this sorc (fantastic now, not so hot after the change). Basically, I'm batting 1 for 4; not bad for a farm team, but hardly major league, and only b/c of this nonsense.

Switch mental toughness out for toughness... or reroll and put a minimum of 14-15 in your con.

[Baranor]

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Originally Posted by Lorien the First One
no greensteel HP for me either... You don't need it. GFL and con 6 or con5 and +1 tome aer affordable options for HP.

Yea, have those, takes me to ~150 hp.


That's without the helm; RTFM FTW.

actually helm has to be assumed or you wouldn't be complaining

[Tanka]

With the helm, I get close to 200, and my feats are max, emp, MT, spell pen, and FoP; which of those can I live without? (hint: the answer is not "max," "emp," "MT," "spell pen," or "FoP.")

It's fantastic that your build wasn't based on the helm; what are you going to say when they decide to "balance" whatever it is that makes your sorc exceptional, if he is?

MT and FoP? Hilarious.

[feynman]

actually helm has to be assumed or you wouldn't be complaining

Then read the post! I have ~150 w/o helm, close to 200 with. It's not that difficult.

[feynman]

MT and FoP? Hilarious.

Yea, funny? Two of the best feats in the game, and you're dissing. Buh-bye.

[Tanka]

Yea, funny? Two of the best feats in the game, and you're dissing. Buh-bye.

How many SP does MT give you? Right, a negligible amount.

MT is good for some Wizards. There are far better feats (like your ever-so-needed Toughness) to take than MT.

I have FoP on my Fighter. My Sorc won't take it at all.

[feynman]

Switch mental toughness out for toughness... or reroll and put a minimum of 14-15 in your con.

If I switch either, it will be FoP; I have actually been debating whether to switch it for IMT.

[bobbryan2]

Yea, funny? Two of the best feats in the game, and you're dissing. Buh-bye.

You're upset... that's fine.

But mental toughness is not important for sorcerers. Especially sorcerers that thought it was a good idea to use con as a dump stat.