Upcoming Minos Legens Fix.

[smatt]

And neither should you guys take forever to fix a relatively simple fix of a bug which has thus caused this issue to begin with. Mean while you have seen fit to nerf, nerf, and nerf even some more this game to play to the power gamer croud in game meanwhile totally screwing over the casual gamer base.

Personally, I'm happy they waited so long to fix it. It was nice to have that free feat for so long.... But the vast majority of the players who read the forums knew it was going away at some point. And it's a minor change at that. I have no idea about coding a game, and also don't have a clue about how this item was coded and what else changing it might've affected., but who cares.... It was a KNOWN issue....

FYI: Shroud crafting is buggy at times and I would like my god damned Min2 neckalce fixed **** it. bad coding screwed me on it and to date all I have gotten from anyone is GO **** YOURSELF

Hmm, what happened ,I haven't heard of an issue with the shroud crafting for a long time?

[Desteria]

Because it's a caster nerf, not a bug fix.

HOW in the frag is this a CASTER nerf!!!!! if anythign it's an item nerf though i wont call it a nerf i'll call it what it is a FIX.

[Desteria]

Only for melee classes, that was part of my point; this change does not affect DPS builds at all.

actuly it REALLLY hurts my DPS Pally build a LOT, i mean a LOT, but when i liek 2 weekago took advantage of this and dumped toughness I knew a fix was possibel and i'm not complaining, I'm goign to have to drop extend spell untill level 18 probably becaus he cant not aford to lose 60 HP, thats mena i can't do DF then madstone untill i get extend back this will hurt me a LOT since i was also considerign kopesh proficency for my level 18 feat, he is a DPS build.
Am i sad it;s changign yes, Am i upset they are fixign a bug they said logn ago was a bug NOPE.

[Desteria]

"Adjustment" is fine if it's a "bug"; in this case, no amount of "adjusting" is going to fix the build, and it was not a "bug" when I did it. I get to start over. Again. That's my real complaint. Well, that and the stack of tapestries I bought that are now worthless.

This was said to be a BUG LONG LONG before they ever added the racial tougness AP's for Drow soo it is literly IMPOSIBLE for you to have made the build based on those AP's before it was a bug.

[Desteria]

DPS builds have toughness already, usually 2 or 3 times. Even if they don't, they have the spare feats to get it without having to give up another key feat. Do you actually play the game, or just troll the forum?



What would I use the tapestries on now? The totemic lavalier?

Why should a granted feat work differently than a taken feat? Why was it not a bug until the devs realized that casters were using it to up their HP?



I said "there's not always anything you can do to a capped character to change that." It's great that your build could be tweaked; mine was min/max'd from the beginning, which is always a risky move because it can go awry (and it is hard to tweak), but in this case it worked out until the rules changed.

*** kind of crappy DPS builds take toughness more then once IF that to unlock the AP's...

My palyl had to drop his, my ranger has never had it, Also she has no tougness AP's even though she wears the helm, my monk has tougness because he had a amt spair monk bonus feat, may change with added future feats, he has at most 1 levle of toughness AP IF that, my dwarf Fighter has toughness ONCE, and when i had a spair feat takkgin a seocdn tougheness was nto even a vage thoght, ther is much better feat option even for a mostly pure fighter.

[Desteria]

No, they said sometime after it was implemented that it was a bug.

It was said it was a bug once it was discovered it was doing so, or very shortly there after.

Rangers, rogues, and fighters tend to have toughness, already; even if they do not, they have the spare feats to take it without drastically affecting their build. Clerics, wizards, and sorcerers (the ones who actually need the extra HP) do not have the feats to spare.

AHhahahahahahahahahaha the only CLASS that is NOT feat starved is a pure fighter or almost pure fighter, OR 6ranger10monk tempest IF they don't have the str for PA
Soem builds tryy and fit tougness in because they want the extra HP/AP's btu every oen else has to give up somethign to get it.

Only if I choose to continue using the minos, which is unlikely; 38 hp was worth using the head slot, 20 significantly less so. Again, with as few HP as casters have, it makes a bigger difference than the same number of HP to melee classes.

20 hp and HEAVY FORT HEAVY FORT that is still and EXCELENT item no matter wich way you slice it my casters heck every character except my cleric who wore it untill she got the abbot hat alll wore it LONG before there were any other racial tougnesses and NONE used it to take touogness untill very recently... it is still one of if not the best HEAVY fort items avalible, and heavy fort IS 100% NEEDED in DDO.

Obviously you haven't read my posts, because I have addressed everything you mentioned 3 or 4 times, now.

Yea, the devs mess up and insist on screwing people over to cover their mistake, and I'm the one acting childishly. Hey Asp, give this guy your pom-poms.

YOu are doign a great job of proving the athour whos name I forget atm, (arhter C clark maby?), opinion of the only true universal constant, they used to put the quote up on space chanel.

[Desteria]

People are *****ing about not being able to exploit anymore? Who woulda thought such a thing could happen on our oh so civilized forums....

LOL mate that made my day.

[Desteria]

People who bleat on and on about trying to justify cheating make me LOL. Please continue, I'm having a bad day and you're cheering me up with every post you make

Aye he does that for me to makes my work shifts much less borring GREAT entertain ment value, even if no actul inteligense is present.

[Desteria]

Yep, same here. I just found a really stupid mistake I made in some code. Then, I come here, read some more comments, and suddenly, I don't feel quite as stupid anymore

[Desteria]

Well, yea, if you were to go pure rogue or ranger, but who in their right mind would do that? Multiclassing gives you more and better options.



1. Many things grant heavy fort, with the added advantage of not occupying your head slot.
2. Heavy fort is not as important to casters; mod fort is almost as useful, and much easier to get on items with other bonuses.

VERY few things grant heavy fort AND any thing else thus being an actuyl reduction in slot efect, the Big exception is Electric Haze with is GFL heavy fort BUT that takes belt.. one of the most contested slots around, AND there are other good GFL combos, (titan belt, PP of GFL, Disiese imune GFL).
Head slot is really not that good a slot at all, other then for clerics who have compleated abbot for the hat, i have a hard time thinking of better head slot items then A dule bonus item of Heavy fort and +20 HP.


HEAVY fort >>>>>>>>>>>>> MOD FORT... CRITS KILL CASTERS....
Heavy fort and when your held you take all NORMAL damage = often you cna live till you save especaly if your grouop pulsl the mobs off you held + mod fort = INSTANT death.

[Desteria]

That explains why you feel so gimped by a few missing HP. Without HF many melee mobs can take you down in one lucky hit. You are foolish not to have HF by GH or as soon after as you can get it.

Level 9 take levle 16 char and clear out BAM pickign up ore, send tell to friend get him to group with me for a min and step in to bam, exit out, go to mail box mail ore to new just leveled to 9 OR even lower character, swap to lowbie, send friend tell of invite fto grouop, run to mail box retrive ore, run to Bam zoen in... hand buddy any ore i looted in excese of the # i need, (i forget of the top of my head the exact number ofr the neck), as a thnak you, run to the DWARF get Heavy fort level 9 neck.... wear said neck untill level 11....
At elvel 11 go to AH spend 20k or there abouts for 20 taps IF i dotn happen to have soem layign around already, run to necropolis hand in to helm guy get neck slot back and put on minos helm...
Never take it off again.

That about describes 2 key points in any of my new characters traves through stormreach.

[Desteria]

Second tier Negative can grant Fear Immunity. On any slot save trinket and ring.

and weapons and armour

[Desteria]

Again, either make it work that way to begin with, inform people that it is a "bug" within a reasonable period of time,

THEY DID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!

ages ago liek shortly after it was first discovered it worked that way... it has been LONG know this was a BUG, and that it was never intended to work this way, IF you did not know that that is unfortunet, but thats does not change the fact that they DID inform peopel it wa sa bug easly with in any sain persons definition of a resnable period of time.

[Desteria]

Again, NOT FOR YOUR CHARACTER. You've got a squishy party-nuker; I have (had) a tough kiting-AoE build. I didn't ask for advice, I'm not here begging for a fix, I'm letting the devs know that CHANGING THE RULES IN THE MIDDLE OF THE GAME IS CHEATING. I will, therefore, be referring to them collectively as "the Cheaters" from now on.

You had a TOUGH kiting-AoE build really your 200 hp sqish ass elf but is a long ass way form any definition I every woudl have had for a TOUGH build... A tough build is easly OVER 300 HP before rage slef buff, mainy builds can do this Even a DROW with OUT maxed Con after maxed cha....., I belive it's currently possibel as a 12 con drow even, though it will cost you a toughness feat....
Quick math
20 base
10 aa favor
64 4x16 sorc levels
16 base 12 con
16 +2 con tome favor or loot or AH or trade not really rare any more.
30 GFL
18 Minos
18 Feat
20 AP's
48 +6 con item
45 shroud item
______
305hp
+16 selfbuffed rage
321 hp

There a TOUGH drow sorc that started with 12 con!!!!!!

[Desteria]

Bottom line: The Cheaters made a mistake; people (myself included) built characters based on the mistake; the Cheaters decided that it was a bug, and are now going to punish people for breaking a rule that didn't exist when they "broke" it! It would be like your city passing a law against eating chocolate tomorrow, and then arresting you for having a candy bar yesterday.

WOW!! you really just called all the turbine devs cheaters WOW thats a great way to get them to listen to you....

[Desteria]

The Cube demands that everyone settle down, or there will be much feasting and infracting. Do not disobey The Cube.

OH ****... I'm catching up on 2.5 days of posts posting as i went, and this was around day 1.5 !!!!!!!!

Oh well Maby i'll get to see what happens when you get infraction points never had one before I cant really be a true kyhberian with out a few i hear.

[Desteria]

Casters can actually cast spells while raged? I thought acording to the rules you cant do anything that involves concentration as in casting spells using wands or scrolls. As far as I can tell the real rage should be what we call "Madstone Rage" That has the effect on spellcasting the real rage should have. I am sorry spellcaster should not be alloud to cast spells while raged and thus I would not even count raged HP in a HP total.

Only while ONLY the rage spell is active, it does not prevent casting it is a lesser rage and irealyl is a SPell efect not a rage rage, both barb rage and either madestone rage prevent casting.

This is the same as PnP btw.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

FYI: Shroud crafting is buggy at times and I would like my god damned Min2 neckalce fixed **** it. bad coding screwed me on it and to date all I have gotten from anyone is GO **** YOURSELF!

That's interesting, I've never heard of a shroud crafting bug. What's the issue?

[Lorien_the_First_One]

Only while ONLY the rage spell is active, it does not prevent casting it is a lesser rage and irealyl is a SPell efect not a rage rage, both barb rage and either madestone rage prevent casting.

This is the same as PnP btw.

That's not true... the Rage spell should work exactly like madstone does. The rage spell is supposed to work exactly like Barbarian rage except no fatige at the end.

From the SRD:

Rage
Enchantment (Compulsion) [Mind-Affecting]
Level: Brd 2, Sor/Wiz 3
Components: V, S
Casting Time: 1 standard action
Range: Medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./level)
Targets: One willing living creature per three levels, no two of which may be more than 30 ft. apart
Duration: Concentration + 1 round/level (D)
Saving Throw: None
Spell Resistance: Yes

Each affected creature gains a +2 morale bonus to Strength and Constitution, a +1 morale bonus on Will saves, and a -2 penalty to AC. The effect is otherwise identical with a barbarian’s rage except that the subjects aren’t fatigued at the end of the rage.

[Desteria]

...and you made the cheerleading squad!

Do you seriously expect to prove anything using convoluted logic? We were told how the handwraps are intended to work; that has been clear from the get-go. The fact that they didn't do what they said they did is quite clearly the definition of a bug.

Yes.

The minos did what it said it was supposed to, and only after they added racial toughness so that any class could get enhancement HP did they call it a bug and decide to fix it.

No actuly they said it was a bug LONG before the racial AP's were added they said it was a bug very shortly after it was discovered.

Now, "balance" would be if they said, "Well, we didn't mean for that to happen, and it has overpowered this class in this way, so in the next update, we will either change it back and allow everyone of that class to respec, or we will give offsetting advantages to other classes."

irelivent since they had calle dit a bug 33784617342 years ago, so it is a bug fix not a balance fix, actuyl adding the AP's to the caster and like classes was an attempt to balace the HUGE diferences in HP totals betwene the heavy melles and every one else because it was hard to scale dmaage that was not insta death to rouges/casters ETC btu could actuyl make a fighter/barb worrie at leats a little.

Again, the whole issue revolves around the fact that casters almost never have the toughness feat, while almost every melee character does; in that sense, this change pretty much only affects casters.

As mainy has said thsi is false ONLY peopel with a lot of fighter level almost always have toughness, most other have to fight to fit in it.

P.S.: I find it hilarious that you think that my build abilities are in any way deficient; my cleric isn't very good, but it was my first character. My hybrid is unbelievably tough, and my monk was one of the few accepted to shroud runs after the class came out. The sorc was a great build.

Meh i don;t know about your monk, but the fact that you consider them gimped by desing worries me since monks can ROCK a LOT of stuff If you build to there natural strenglths wich is beign nie invicable.