Upcoming Minos Legens Fix.

[The_Phenx]

Why the gripe?

It has been known for a LONG time that this was not an intentional effect,,,,and to base a character on that knowledge makes no sense

[Yaga_Nub]

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Now, to leave this thread before I have to make any more Will saves to avoid being Feebleminded

What do you mean "avoid being Feebleminded?"

You started off the conversation that way.

[Freeman]

Almost every ranger I know has toughness

I think the point he was making was that rangers and rogues would have to make the same choice as other classes without bonus feats when it came to Toughness. There are usually other feats that could also benefit them, and the choice to take Toughness isn't as easy as it was being made out to be for those classes. Rangers get a total of 6 feats currently. Three are needed to qualify for Tempest, so that leaves three to spare. Improve Crit is essential, so that leaves two feats. Now if you want Power Attack, Oversized TWF, and Toughness(All three are feats I commonly see on rangers), you have to pick which is more important to your build. Rogues are in the same boat. Yes, they can take Toughness, but there is always a tradeoff.

[Aspenor]

somebody has a LOT to learn about DDO

the helmet slot is nearly useless except for the Minos Legens, or some Green Steel variant of the Minos Legens.

i'd challenge anybody to come up with a helm that's better than a Minos Legens, that's worth changing out for.

I wish thee luck.

[Ustice]

No, they said sometime after it was implemented that it was a bug.

This is almost the definition of a bug. It is an unintended consequence that you typically discover after the fact.

It was a bug. They said it was a bug. It's being fixed. Be glad that you aren't being punished for using a bug exploit and move on. If your build relied on exploiting this bug, then it was a cheesy build to begin with.

[Yaga_Nub]

somebody has a LOT to learn about DDO

the helmet slot is nearly useless except for the Minos Legens, or some Green Steel variant of the Minos Legens.

i'd challenge anybody to come up with a helm that's better than a Minos Legens, that's worth changing out for.

I wish thee luck.

The Puzzle cap rocks dude!

[Milolyen]

Yep, same here. I just found a really stupid mistake I made in some code. Then, I come here, read some more comments, and suddenly, I don't feel quite as stupid anymore

LMAO I know the feeling. A couple days ago I was searching high and low through my code trying to figure out why I was getting an error only for it to be a stupid oversight on my part. Pop into the forums to take my mind off how frustrated I was to miss it for as long as I did and ran into some of Bran's posts. I'm sure you can imagine how my outlook changed rather quickly.

Milolyen

[Ustice]

somebody has a LOT to learn about DDO

the helmet slot is nearly useless except for the Minos Legens, or some Green Steel variant of the Minos Legens.

i'd challenge anybody to come up with a helm that's better than a Minos Legens, that's worth changing out for.

I wish thee luck.

Helm of Free Will. Fear immunity and a decent (not great) SR. Like you said, there aren't many competitors, and this allows you not to use the Reaver's Ring or other useful slots for fear immunity.

[Aspenor]

Helm of Free Will. Fear immunity and a decent (not great) SR. Like you said, there aren't many competitors, and this allows you not to use the Reaver's Ring or other useful slots for fear immunity.

uh, two words...

PLANAR GIRD

Helm of Free will is a wasted item.

[Sirea]

Planar Gird has fear immunity? Man have I been using mine wrong

[Aspenor]

Planar Gird has fear immunity? Man have I been using mine wrong

of course it does.

Heroism, Greater
Enchantment (Compulsion) [Mind-Affecting]
Level: Brd 5, Sor/Wiz 6
Duration: 1 min./level
This spell functions like heroism, except the creature gains a +4 morale bonus on attack rolls, saves, and skill checks, immunity to fear effects, and temporary hit points equal to your caster level (maximum 20).

So, technically, the planar gird is superior in more ways than one.

[Milolyen]

Helm of Free Will. Fear immunity and a decent (not great) SR. Like you said, there aren't many competitors, and this allows you not to use the Reaver's Ring or other useful slots for fear immunity.

Nope ... he is complaining about casters and would need a mage helm. Mages can easily cast greater hero for fear immunity so not even that helm is all that usefull.

Milolyen

[darkrhavyn]

Planar Gird has fear immunity? Man have I been using mine wrong

Uhhhh. planar gird casts greater heroism -- if you never looked- it gives you fear immunity as well as the hp and attack/saves bonus

Unless of course you were being sarcastic.....

Actually I had someone the other day not know that GH gave them fear immunity...I was kinda shocked.

[Yaga_Nub]

uh, two words...

PLANAR GIRD

Helm of Free will is a wasted item.

Planar Gird has fear immunity? Man have I been using mine wrong

Yeah but it can be dispelled. Helm can't be.

[Tanka]

Planar Gird has fear immunity? Man have I been using mine wrong

GH provides Fear Immunity.

Also; the only other helm I can see as being "worthwhile" is Intim 15, especially on a WF with the HogF.

[Aspenor]

Yeah but it can be dispelled. Helm can't be.

So? I can think of ONE place where there are regular dispels and fear effects in the same area, Wizard King.

[Sirea]

LOL, and to think I've only been using it in the shops. I pulled a n00b!

They say you learn something new everyday...

[Lorien_the_First_One]

Well if you want to go that route, neither is it understandable to take advantage of a mistake, so those people that were previously taking advantage aren't really thrown under the bus. They got the benefit for whatever time the mistake was in game.

Yup...throwing them under the bus would have been not warning them of the fix...well even then, they half through themselves under.

\2. Heavy fort is not as important to casters; mod fort is almost as useful, and much easier to get on items with other bonuses.

That explains why you feel so gimped by a few missing HP. Without HF many melee mobs can take you down in one lucky hit. You are foolish not to have HF by GH or as soon after as you can get it.

somebody has a LOT to learn about DDO

the helmet slot is nearly useless except for the Minos Legens, or some Green Steel variant of the Minos Legens.

i'd challenge anybody to come up with a helm that's better than a Minos Legens, that's worth changing out for.

I wish thee luck.

That is in fact what's in my helm slot for I think 7/8 chars at that level. Its a great item. The only one not sporting that hat is a barb with an intim helm and he has a mod fort item elsewhere (he's WF so that's effectively HF anyway)

[Milolyen]

This would cut both ways. Either bugs should be fixed or they shouldn't. Ghost touch handwraps were released without bypassing a monsters incorporeal status, should they always remain so? Rogue assassinate didn't work when it was first released, should assassinate have forever more remained as invalid attack? You cannot say that only the bugs you want fixed should be fixed.

Accept the good with the bad and move on.

Actually you COULD take it a step farther ... every mod/update since it was released changed the game so should they not have put them out? If they had done that then this game would no longer be and we would not be having this discussion.

Milolyen

[Tanka]

Yeah but it can be dispelled. Helm can't be.

Second tier Negative can grant Fear Immunity. On any slot save trinket and ring.