Jorgundal's collar + monk wind stance

[Garth_of_Sarlona]

I just tried putting on Jorgundal's Collar on my Wind 3 monk and testing the attack speed, without haste, in Relentless Storm Stance.

I seem to get the same number of attacks in a minute ragardless of whether I'm wearing the collar or not.

Should Jorgundal's Collar stack with wind stance?

Garth

[Angelus_dead]

Should Jorgundal's Collar stack with wind stance?

Both the collar and wind stance provide an enhancement bonus to attack speed. The stance bonus is bigger, so it completely overrides the item.

If you're interested in further testing, you could go into your enhancements and get out the level 1 version of wind stance... that might provide an enhancement bonus of less than 10%.

[hydra_ex]

In Mod 9 though, some of it will become an insight bonus to attack speed, so don't give up yet.

Also, it does not stack with haste.

[Angelus_dead]

In Mod 9 though, some of it will become an insight bonus to attack speed, so don't give up yet.

It still won't stack with Jorgundal's Collar.

Wind Stance 3: 12.5% enhancement bonus, 7.5% insight bonus
Jorgundal's Collar: 10% enhancement bonus

[Garth_of_Sarlona]

yeah I knew the collar didn't stack with haste, and that haste stacked with wind stance, so I kinda assume that the collar would stack with wind... obviously not

Garth

[GlassCannon]

Also, it does not stack with haste.

I have 2 monks and I can prove otherwise.


Also, Haste does not stack with the Docent of Quickening, which frustrates my Tempest Ranger.

[Pyromaniac]

I have 2 monks and I can prove otherwise.

Please post the proof, I'd like to see it.

[GlassCannon]

Please post the proof, I'd like to see it.

Post? Provide Video Recording Software that doesn't use 14gb per 2 seconds of footage(like FRAPS does, and no I am not wealthy enough to buy a copy just for a forum post, have to budget $40 for the rest of the month's food for 4 people atm), and I'll gladly use it. If you are on Argonessen, catch me in-game.

What video software(FREEWARE ONLY) is best for such an application? Keep in mind that I find Youtube tends to lose connection to my computer if I try to upload a massive uncompressed video file(over 600mb).

Edit2: Just tried it out, and Wind Stance 1 provides a truly negligible bonus, so you don't notice it. In Wind 3, however, you DO see a difference. If you were testing with a gim--*ahem* Multiclass 'monk', you will see almost no gain wahtsoever.

Edit3: I don't have a collar, and neither Monk is 'Forged. Can't help ya there. I do know that fire 3 with Haste is standard GTWF speed, where Wind 3 with Haste is faster than Tempest right now with Haste(Based on speed comparison against my capped Tempest Ranger Pure).

[TFPAQ]

I thought that E gave us a breakdown at one point on the various stances and how much of it was an insight percentage that would stack with say Tempest. I thought that the numbers were as follows:

Tier I = Insight 2.5%
Tier II = Insight 5%
Tier III = Insight 7.5%

Which were not to be confused with "competency", etc. So a Tempest/Monk build would be looking at:

Tier I = 12.5% increase in attack speed
Tier II = 15.0% increase in attack speed
Tier III = 17.5% increase in attack speed

How does that break out with Jorgundal's collar or haste? Anyone?

[TFPAQ]

It still won't stack with Jorgundal's Collar.

Wind Stance 3: 12.5% enhancement bonus, 7.5% insight bonus
Jorgundal's Collar: 10% enhancement bonus

I thought E had those broken out by competency/Insight values so that the insight portion would stack with Tempest, etc.

How does the breakout work in reference to the collar or haste?

[Garth_of_Sarlona]

I still don't get it - if the collar is the same alacrity type as haste, and haste stacks with wind stance, then how come the collar doesn't stack with wind?

Garth

[Junts]

I still don't get it - if the collar is the same alacrity type as haste, and haste stacks with wind stance, then how come the collar doesn't stack with wind?

Garth

Because, as Angelus explained, -not all of wind stance stacks-, only some of its bonus stacks; the rest is the same type as haste, and enough of it is that type that it is more than the bonus from Jorgundal's collar at tier 3; you might notice the collar helping to a 2.5-5% tune if you had the lower level wind stances.

However, I don't even know if the half and half with enhancement/insight is in yet, does anyone know if that is an intended or already done change? if it is not, then wind stance is all enhancement and will in no way stack; however, I think Angelus is right on this one.

[GlassCannon]

I got linked to Xfire and started using it. It uses a significantly lower amount of resources when compared to FRAPS(Trial Version).

Hasted


Kobold slaying


Antimagic Speed(Unbuffed)


He's right about only 7.5% of it stacking. The loss of DPS when Haste wears is simply intolerable with Fire stance, though, so I built mine around being able to use both(and water 3 for traps).

That's not a Bloodstone. Those don't exist. Wraps are +2 Maladroit of Greater Reptilian Bane.

[xman26]

Post? Provide Video Recording Software that doesn't use 14gb per 2 seconds of footage(like FRAPS does, and no I am not wealthy enough to buy a copy just for a forum post, have to budget $40 for the rest of the month's food for 4 people atm), and I'll gladly use it. If you are on Argonessen, catch me in-game.

What video software(FREEWARE ONLY) is best for such an application? Keep in mind that I find Youtube tends to lose connection to my computer if I try to upload a massive uncompressed video file(over 600mb).

Edit2: Just tried it out, and Wind Stance 1 provides a truly negligible bonus, so you don't notice it. In Wind 3, however, you DO see a difference. If you were testing with a gim--*ahem* Multiclass 'monk', you will see almost no gain wahtsoever.

Edit3: I don't have a collar, and neither Monk is 'Forged. Can't help ya there. I do know that fire 3 with Haste is standard GTWF speed, where Wind 3 with Haste is faster than Tempest right now with Haste(Based on speed comparison against my capped Tempest Ranger Pure).

I have and use fraps and making a video does not take up 14GB for 2 second video. You've got something else going on if you are gettng that kind of useage.